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for the masses headline edition july 8

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the army air forces has announced that a

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flying beast has been found

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and is now in the possession of the army

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if the game is rigged

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change the game game changer

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i occasionally think how quickly our

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would vanish if we were facing an alien

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this is fade to black with your host

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jimmy church

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on the game changer radio network and

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i need your help to get to the year

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good evening yeah man fade to black

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how you doing today's wednesday

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267 days into the new year

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only 99 days left that's right

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we are live from a bunker

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a bunker that is somewhere in the middle

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of beautiful downtown burbank california

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listening all around the world

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what is cracking everybody how you doing

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in america yeah man all right

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tonight back with this

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one of my favorite guests tonight greg

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artificial intelligence and singularity

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more on that in just a minute tomorrow

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another fader night with open lines

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all night long i bet you can't wait for

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now i know that you can't i know that

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uh before we get started tonight i just

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i keep going back and i've mentioned

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this so many times over the years

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but i have got to give mad

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props to hacksaw hamilton

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hacksaw hamilton out of

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all of the radio broadcasters that

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long john neville yeah yeah dave jenkins

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uh back on kebc here in los angeles

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back in the day 98

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and so that doesn't really count but

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started to get a little weak but uh

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everything i just loved them so much

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his show was amazing first off but it

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oh man and he would do this intro

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that's where that whole north and south

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hither until there is fear of

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uh here in los angeles when uh

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radio and television it was just

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raiders for a while he left san diego

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raiders hacksaw rocks

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you know hacksaw hacksaw rock man he's

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the fastest 10 minutes in radio

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he would bust it out i couldn't wait for

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every single day set my clock to it

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thank you so much that that that guy

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that guy right there that guy right

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all right all right where am i at i'm in

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greg house is here tonight and he puts

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me in a great mood he is

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um so smart uh before we get to greg

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greg and i were on our way to a film

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in manhattan under a bridge um we were

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uh artificial intelligence and a little

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bit about hacking

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the creator of worlds and

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and the singularity and it was a deep

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and it was great but greg

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is a student of the game and

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it was everything i was firing off adam

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he had a way of explaining this and

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answering he just knows so much he's

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such a wealth of knowledge

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and his his knowledge extends

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uh so far beyond computers it is culture

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uh politics and religion and and

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our future and he's got a a right he

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he's got a really solid foundation on

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where he thinks the world is headed and

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why and us as a country too as well in

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um he is he's a fantastic guest and

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i don't think we've ever done the show

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and that is artificial intelligence

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and singularity so stand by greg's going

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at the bottom of the hour all right as

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you can see i still have all the crystal

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in the studio i haven't bothered uh to

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and if you would like your own crystal

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like jose look at jose you can go and

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get one right now visit einstein the

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jimmychurchradio.com the promo code you

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need to use

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is jimmy and that will get you 10 off of

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your crystal skull order right

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now so head over you know you want one

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you know you do all right go visit

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carolyn ford follow me on twitter at j

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about uh twitter he was

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imagine busting that that's greg house

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that's our guest today

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that's pretty cool that's that's that's

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and that's something that's a feather in

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uh but you can follow me on twitter at j

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house and uh he's got a pretty good

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i haven't checked all right follow me on

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questions all right let's get to the

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attacks on hamilton right the fastest 10

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uh jimmy's headlines i need a i need a

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nickname like hacksaw

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hacksaw hamilton chainsaw

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all right nick frost and simon pegg

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are reuniting for the supernatural

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comedy series

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truth seekers i'm not making this up

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this is a supernatural comedy series

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about a team of part-time paranormal

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investigators

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who team up to uncover and film ghost

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sightings across the united kingdom

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sharing their adventures on their online

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this is news i've never even heard of

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doing something like this before

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just kidding while amazon has not yet

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announced a release date for truth

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seekers

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check this out all eight episodes of the

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super uh supernatural comedy series are

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confirmed to premiere

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sometime like now

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because the announcement is in the fall

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well i'll keep you posted what does that

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mean fall of 2020 we're at the

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end of september how fall do you have to

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officially fall what is september

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winter is definitely december january

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fall those leaves

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that's good that's good caffeine church

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i like that julie

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i like that i like that caffeine church

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you got

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i'll leave it up to you i'll leave it up

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you can't have you can't i'm sure

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hacksaw didn't give himself that

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nickname somebody gave him that for some

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so there you go all right where where am

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space junk and asteroid news tonight

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absolutely incredible a small near-earth

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asteroid will fly by

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13 000 miles an asteroid will make its

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close approach

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below the ring of geostationary

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satellites orbiting about 22 000 miles

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away

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holy crap right scientists estimate that

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the

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2020 sw its name is roughly 15 to 30

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feet wide

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or about the size of a school bus

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that's right a school bus sized asteroid

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is flying through

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our geostationary satellites tomorrow

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you gotta ask yourself what's the worst

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that can happen right

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and for the record just so you know

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asteroid 2020 sw was only discovered

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wait for it five days ago

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2020 man 2020. that's all i got to say

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now space junk and the international

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space station are in the news because

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the international space station or the

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iss

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just dodged a fast-moving hunk of

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orbiting

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junk controllers

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maneuvered the station away from a

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potential collision

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with a piece of debris yesterday on

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september 22nd

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at 5 19 pm and you

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didn't know about it they did so by

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firing the thrusters on a russian

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progress

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cargo spacecraft that was docked to the

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orbiting labs

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zaveta service module now listen to me

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for a second

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they didn't use the thrusters on the iss

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they had to fire up the engines

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on the progress cargo spacecraft that is

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right out of the movies

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and while all of this was happening if

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that isn't enough

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the three astronauts aboard the station

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chris cassidy and tully and vashen

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and ivan wagner sheltered in the

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station's russian segment during the

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maneuver to be closer to their soyuz

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spacecraft

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in case they had to escape

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holy crap and none of this was known

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yesterday

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no it was all announced by nasa

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today now i've got more space

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junk news here we go

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a new mini moon is about to join

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earth's orbit however

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rather than some asteroid that will

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orbit around the earth

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it may actually just be some old space

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junk that has made its way

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back to our planet

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it turns out that asteroid 2020so

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is an old booster rocket from the 1960s

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from the launch of surveyor ii on

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september 20th

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1966. now i've got to give you the

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details because i have your attention

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that mission was designed to have a soft

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landing on the moon

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but a failure led to the spacecraft

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crashing the centaur rocket that was

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used

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passed by the moon and continued and

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went into

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orbit near the sun and was not seen

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again

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until now

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that's all i got it's almost too much to

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handle let's get the show cracking happy

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birthday to today

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hassan minaj today is 35

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you know from his two seasons of patriot

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act on netflix

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that got cancelled because he told the

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truth there you go

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that hassan minaj pretty funny guy julio

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iglesias today

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is 77 and yes all the girls that i loved

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before and i'll sing it for you if you

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want

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but that's not the song for me when it

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comes to julio

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for me it's la mer

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yeah tinker taylor soldier spy

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bruce springsteen today is 71

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and our dead guy's birthday today isn't

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need a moment of silence please

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john coltrane 1926 to 1967 died at the

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age of 40.

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coltrane was a jazz saxophonist and a

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composer

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coltrane helped pioneer the use of modes

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and was

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at the foremost of free jazz he would

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forefront he was right there

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he worked with miles davis two of miles

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best records worth coltrane

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and that says a lot because all of miles

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was great

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and of course he played with thelonious

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monk right after miles davis

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and remains one of the most influential

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musicians in history

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today i watched a live version of miles

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davis

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and so what and coltrane

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solo oh man live on stage two total

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magic

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watched it twice and then after that it

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was trains

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giant steps all nine minutes

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twice man that song it was an amazing

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afternoon of the bunker

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giant steps you want to know what

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chords are and how to write a melody

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with chords listen to giant steps

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that's all you got to do coltrane died

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he'll just realize that you're not a

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musician

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you're a poser coltrane died of liver

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cancer at the age of 40 on july 17th

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1967

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at huntington hospital on long island in

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new york

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and when he died nobody really knew that

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he was sick they said i

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didn't look really that but nobody

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nobody knew he was sick

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that sick died of 40. wow on this day in

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history 1949 president truman

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announces that the soviets have exploded

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a nuclear bomb

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1949 totally freaking out the country

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and the rest of the world

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fader fact this is a fader fact and it's

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vetted

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the first public call made from an

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iphone

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was made by steve jobs jobs

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called the local starbucks and ordered 4

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000 lattes and then cranked them

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and said just kidding and hung up

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and that is your fader fact tonight greg

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house is here it's all about a.i

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and singularity tomorrow night's fade

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tonight with open lines all night long

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let me hit this

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yeah good plan for these days this is

443
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from nick on twitter pop over to the

444
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winchester for a pint

445
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and wait for the whole thing to blow

446
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over i'm with you

447
00:22:55,830 --> 00:22:51,600
i'm with you but that pint for me

448
00:22:59,350 --> 00:22:55,840
has got to be doc i like my beard

449
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doc i mean thick

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with that thick tan brown

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head on the top oh

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the darker the better the more exotic

453
00:23:12,230 --> 00:23:09,280
the better

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and if i'm in if i'm in the mood i'll

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take a chilled shot of vodka right in

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the top

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yeah man all right i have learned so

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much

459
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over the last seven years that climbing

460
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uh

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00:23:31,909 --> 00:23:29,360
climbing let me hit this river moon

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oh man rivermooncoffee.com

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part two i have learned so much over the

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last seven years that coming up for a

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00:23:49,190 --> 00:23:45,840
subject to rant about

466
00:23:52,390 --> 00:23:49,200
is as easy as just picking out a subject

467
00:23:55,909 --> 00:23:52,400
and running with it there is

468
00:23:59,510 --> 00:23:55,919
another reason why it's so easy

469
00:24:01,430 --> 00:23:59,520
typing out of all the classes that i

470
00:24:03,830 --> 00:24:01,440
took in high school

471
00:24:04,630 --> 00:24:03,840
the one that turned out to be the most

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00:24:08,710 --> 00:24:04,640
important

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00:24:11,830 --> 00:24:08,720
was typing

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that's right you see i took two

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semesters of typing at balboa high

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school in panama

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with mrs piper and she was cool too

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she's probably i was 15

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14 and she was like 65

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and she was good she walked she

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literally

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she was the best man now i could have

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stopped at one semester

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but i really enjoyed the class and i

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00:24:49,350 --> 00:24:46,320
decided that a second semester

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and that class of legal typing was the

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way to go

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today i totally rip at typing

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there is nobody faster doesn't exist

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and especially when i choose to show off

491
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anyway i've also had the last seven

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years of writing for this show

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each and every day to further advance my

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it's true though so when i've chosen a

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subject

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the words just fly i'm able to connect

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my brain to fingers and flow at the

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speed of mind

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it's very cool that's right

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which brings me to tonight's show and

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it's subject

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all right artificial intelligence and

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the singularity

504
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over the last couple of months while

505
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doing research for the h factor

506
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i stumbled upon a bunch of a i created

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media

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stuff that was designed to fool you

509
00:25:59,590 --> 00:25:56,960
so good that you naturally assume that

510
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is generated by humans

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i read some stuff i looked at artwork

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and i even listened to some music

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honestly if you didn't know you wouldn't

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know

515
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and here's the deal the writing was

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really good

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too good actually

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but great writers that are human

519
00:26:23,590 --> 00:26:19,760
depending on their style by the way

520
00:26:26,070 --> 00:26:23,600
of course can write to perfect as well

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this much is true and i get that so you

522
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can't question what i'm about to say

523
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then you have others like say stephen

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king

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00:26:37,590 --> 00:26:35,840
great writer not really no

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he's actually very simple in his

527
00:26:42,230 --> 00:26:39,640
approach it's his

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creativity that sets him apart from

529
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everyone else

530
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ai is getting very good at this as well

531
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where you have stuff that is very

532
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correct in its grammar

533
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but it's simple sometimes it's off the

534
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wall

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00:27:00,789 --> 00:26:58,720
and it's different with a healthy dose

536
00:27:03,909 --> 00:27:00,799
of creativity thrown in

537
00:27:06,549 --> 00:27:03,919
now here's the deal on the surface

538
00:27:07,830 --> 00:27:06,559
this all sounds great it's very cool

539
00:27:11,269 --> 00:27:07,840
technology

540
00:27:14,070 --> 00:27:11,279
and indeed it's the future

541
00:27:14,630 --> 00:27:14,080
ai can learn the writing styles of every

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00:27:17,990 --> 00:27:14,640
single

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00:27:21,190 --> 00:27:18,000
author that has ever published a book

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00:27:24,230 --> 00:27:21,200
virtually overnight every single one

545
00:27:26,549 --> 00:27:24,240
in the history of everything imagine how

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00:27:30,230 --> 00:27:26,559
long that would take one person to do

547
00:27:33,590 --> 00:27:30,240
you would measure that time in centuries

548
00:27:35,990 --> 00:27:33,600
lots of them and with the internet

549
00:27:37,350 --> 00:27:36,000
it would be done in a matter of hours

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with one computer

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00:27:44,789 --> 00:27:40,480
and an ethernet connection

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00:27:47,510 --> 00:27:44,799
but here's the crazy part but

553
00:27:48,149 --> 00:27:47,520
the day has officially arrived when you

554
00:27:50,470 --> 00:27:48,159
can tell

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00:27:51,909 --> 00:27:50,480
a computer to write a supernatural

556
00:27:54,630 --> 00:27:51,919
thriller about ghost

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00:27:56,789 --> 00:27:54,640
a car a goat and three people lost at

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sea who land on a deserted island

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only to be rescued by yemen pilots and

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00:28:04,549 --> 00:28:02,240
taken to dracula's castle that's all you

561
00:28:08,549 --> 00:28:04,559
gotta do plug it in

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written in the style of stephen king

563
00:28:14,710 --> 00:28:12,000
or william shakespeare doesn't matter

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00:28:15,750 --> 00:28:14,720
it will be done in minutes it'll be

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00:28:19,669 --> 00:28:15,760
perfect

566
00:28:21,990 --> 00:28:19,679
there'll be no editing straight to print

567
00:28:23,830 --> 00:28:22,000
and you'll never know the difference

568
00:28:25,110 --> 00:28:23,840
except the yemeni pirates part they

569
00:28:27,110 --> 00:28:25,120
weren't around in

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in williams time and i get that but you

571
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get my drift

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and you'll never know the difference you

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now sure the question of fake books

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rises to the surface but what about

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stephen king

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he don't even have to write anymore

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all he's got to do is punch in a few key

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words

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hit the go button straight to print

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no editing book will write itself

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in 10 minutes

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just like this rant it wrote itself as

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fast as i could think it

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thanks to mrs piper and her typing 101

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and 102 classes i took back in 1978.

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seriously i'm your host jimmy church

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this is fade to black tonight

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greg house is here it's a full night of

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artificial intelligence and the

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singularity

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it's going to be a great show stay right

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there we are on the game changer network

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what's up i'm chris what up this is

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all right welcome back fade to black i'm

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your host jimmy church tonight greg

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house is here

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greg house on the game changer network

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at kg ra the planet tonight we're going

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to be talking about the singularity and

688
00:34:07,509 --> 00:34:04,399
artificial intelligence

689
00:34:09,270 --> 00:34:07,519
just got this tweet in from mark toronto

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says how many words a minute can you

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type

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you want to see you want to you you want

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to see me oh here i'll turn this down

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i'll turn this out i'm i'm potting out

695
00:34:18,629 --> 00:34:17,599
you want to see how fast i can die okay

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00:34:25,030 --> 00:34:18,639
watch this watch this

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00:34:32,869 --> 00:34:29,829
tweet how long was that three seconds

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00:34:32,879 --> 00:34:37,589
did it post okay there you go

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00:34:37,599 --> 00:34:41,270
what do you think of that

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00:34:44,629 --> 00:34:43,589
uh greg you want me to read this lengthy

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bio

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tonight aggressive tonight our guest is

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greg house

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00:34:52,550 --> 00:34:51,679
greg spent much of his early teens in

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the clink

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00:34:58,870 --> 00:34:55,760
how's that you want me to you know i did

707
00:35:02,550 --> 00:34:58,880
i did have some fun in jail there

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00:35:03,910 --> 00:35:02,560
uh solitary confinement uh what 15 years

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00:35:07,030 --> 00:35:03,920
in solitary

710
00:35:10,870 --> 00:35:07,040
no i'm kidding i'm kidding 27 days

711
00:35:13,990 --> 00:35:10,880
but uh church of scientology anonymous

712
00:35:17,510 --> 00:35:14,000
blah blah blah today a

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former hacker now a supreme activist

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00:35:21,349 --> 00:35:19,599
looking out for all mankind

715
00:35:23,589 --> 00:35:21,359
how's that that's your new bio i just

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00:35:25,349 --> 00:35:23,599
typed it for you

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00:35:27,030 --> 00:35:25,359
you know the last couple bios i've had

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00:35:27,430 --> 00:35:27,040
other people typed up too so there you

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go

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00:35:33,270 --> 00:35:30,800
now that i like that i like that

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00:35:33,910 --> 00:35:33,280
activists for all mankind people do it

722
00:35:37,430 --> 00:35:33,920
yeah

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00:35:39,910 --> 00:35:37,440
right uh

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00:35:41,829 --> 00:35:39,920
you know having a day like everyone else

725
00:35:45,990 --> 00:35:41,839
uh wondering about a lot of things

726
00:35:47,270 --> 00:35:46,000
yeah i know it's uh it's uh it's a crazy

727
00:35:49,270 --> 00:35:47,280
time man and this is

728
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you know what and this is why tonight's

729
00:35:53,190 --> 00:35:51,359
show's gonna be so fantastic

730
00:35:54,550 --> 00:35:53,200
we don't have to talk about any of that

731
00:35:56,870 --> 00:35:54,560
crap

732
00:35:57,990 --> 00:35:56,880
nice way to decompress with the future

733
00:36:00,230 --> 00:35:58,000
of humanity

734
00:36:01,270 --> 00:36:00,240
and the balance you've got to do it

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00:36:05,190 --> 00:36:01,280
sometimes

736
00:36:08,230 --> 00:36:05,200
you know and uh before we get into ai

737
00:36:11,430 --> 00:36:08,240
i don't want to spend any time today

738
00:36:12,150 --> 00:36:11,440
uh talking about uh what's going on in

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00:36:15,910 --> 00:36:12,160
the country

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00:36:18,390 --> 00:36:15,920
or coronavirus or economics or racism or

741
00:36:19,589 --> 00:36:18,400
uh police brutality i don't wanna i'm

742
00:36:20,950 --> 00:36:19,599
not gonna we

743
00:36:23,030 --> 00:36:20,960
we're just not gonna do it we spend

744
00:36:26,950 --> 00:36:23,040
enough time with that frustrating

745
00:36:28,790 --> 00:36:26,960
but i'm gonna say this today

746
00:36:30,069 --> 00:36:28,800
you had the most trending tweet in

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00:36:33,270 --> 00:36:30,079
twitter

748
00:36:35,109 --> 00:36:33,280
that that that's a pretty big deal man

749
00:36:37,430 --> 00:36:35,119
you know all it really does is it brings

750
00:36:41,109 --> 00:36:37,440
a lot of uh really strange people into

751
00:36:43,910 --> 00:36:41,119
your mentions

752
00:36:45,030 --> 00:36:43,920
you know today with with the twitter

753
00:36:48,550 --> 00:36:45,040
world

754
00:36:50,950 --> 00:36:48,560
um getting to trend

755
00:36:52,390 --> 00:36:50,960
is uh that's a really big deal because a

756
00:36:54,150 --> 00:36:52,400
lot of things are trending

757
00:36:56,790 --> 00:36:54,160
and you know what i'm saying it's that's

758
00:36:59,349 --> 00:36:56,800
uh that's uh that's pretty cool man

759
00:37:00,310 --> 00:36:59,359
and tomorrow it'll be somebody else but

760
00:37:02,470 --> 00:37:00,320
today

761
00:37:04,710 --> 00:37:02,480
you can kind of kick back and go wow man

762
00:37:06,870 --> 00:37:04,720
that that that was smoking

763
00:37:08,069 --> 00:37:06,880
i wish it was uh for something positive

764
00:37:10,630 --> 00:37:08,079
yeah i know i know

765
00:37:12,550 --> 00:37:10,640
well one one day one day it will be well

766
00:37:13,349 --> 00:37:12,560
it will be and for sure and that's

767
00:37:16,230 --> 00:37:13,359
another thing

768
00:37:17,430 --> 00:37:16,240
and considering uh what we're going to

769
00:37:20,230 --> 00:37:17,440
be talking about tonight with

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00:37:22,470 --> 00:37:20,240
which is artificial intelligence and

771
00:37:25,829 --> 00:37:22,480
what is going on out there in the world

772
00:37:28,710 --> 00:37:25,839
uh with technology is that ai

773
00:37:29,990 --> 00:37:28,720
and machine learning are driving

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00:37:34,550 --> 00:37:30,000
negativity

775
00:37:37,190 --> 00:37:34,560
divisiveness

776
00:37:37,910 --> 00:37:37,200
is what trends and that's what gets

777
00:37:40,950 --> 00:37:37,920
clicks

778
00:37:41,910 --> 00:37:40,960
right you could have the most amazing

779
00:37:44,950 --> 00:37:41,920
story about

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00:37:47,990 --> 00:37:44,960
uh uh if you could post

781
00:37:52,790 --> 00:37:48,000
on twitter the first ever

782
00:37:55,190 --> 00:37:52,800
photograph of a unicorn in new zealand

783
00:37:56,310 --> 00:37:55,200
and you wouldn't trend you wouldn't

784
00:38:01,510 --> 00:37:56,320
trend

785
00:38:03,349 --> 00:38:01,520
a lot of extra knowledge on how to get

786
00:38:04,230 --> 00:38:03,359
things to go viral on twitter which

787
00:38:07,030 --> 00:38:04,240
takes

788
00:38:08,390 --> 00:38:07,040
years of uh you know losing it twitter

789
00:38:11,589 --> 00:38:08,400
to get

790
00:38:14,390 --> 00:38:11,599
yeah yeah it's uh it's a crazy world man

791
00:38:16,230 --> 00:38:14,400
crazy world and uh talking about

792
00:38:20,069 --> 00:38:16,240
artificial intelligence

793
00:38:20,630 --> 00:38:20,079
um i said in uh at the very very top of

794
00:38:24,310 --> 00:38:20,640
the show

795
00:38:26,710 --> 00:38:24,320
i want you to um uh

796
00:38:27,430 --> 00:38:26,720
uh scan your defrag your hard drive for

797
00:38:29,910 --> 00:38:27,440
a second

798
00:38:32,390 --> 00:38:29,920
right you like that you like that segue

799
00:38:35,670 --> 00:38:32,400
defrag your hard drive for a second

800
00:38:38,150 --> 00:38:35,680
and go back uh to you and i

801
00:38:39,349 --> 00:38:38,160
we were driving around in new york i

802
00:38:42,069 --> 00:38:39,359
don't know if it was in the back of a

803
00:38:45,349 --> 00:38:42,079
cab if we were like in a think it was

804
00:38:48,470 --> 00:38:45,359
suv oh you remember right okay and so

805
00:38:52,150 --> 00:38:48,480
i think we stopped for coffee and

806
00:38:54,069 --> 00:38:52,160
then we headed to the film set

807
00:38:55,670 --> 00:38:54,079
right okay but anyway when we were

808
00:38:58,470 --> 00:38:55,680
driving in the car

809
00:38:58,870 --> 00:38:58,480
you and i i wanted to pick your head

810
00:39:00,790 --> 00:38:58,880
about

811
00:39:02,470 --> 00:39:00,800
artificial intelligence and we talked

812
00:39:04,390 --> 00:39:02,480
about the matrix and

813
00:39:06,550 --> 00:39:04,400
we talked about a couple of tv shows we

814
00:39:08,470 --> 00:39:06,560
talked about some of your consulting

815
00:39:10,630 --> 00:39:08,480
but we i wanted to steer the

816
00:39:12,950 --> 00:39:10,640
conversation into

817
00:39:15,190 --> 00:39:12,960
uh artificial realities artificial

818
00:39:18,470 --> 00:39:15,200
intelligence and machine learning

819
00:39:21,670 --> 00:39:18,480
and you you were very gracious in that

820
00:39:24,550 --> 00:39:21,680
but um i i was

821
00:39:25,670 --> 00:39:24,560
shocked i expected the hacking knowledge

822
00:39:27,750 --> 00:39:25,680
to come out of you

823
00:39:28,950 --> 00:39:27,760
right yeah i knew a lot about you i was

824
00:39:32,390 --> 00:39:28,960
going to interview you

825
00:39:34,710 --> 00:39:32,400
on camera but uh your

826
00:39:35,589 --> 00:39:34,720
your knowledge of artificial

827
00:39:38,630 --> 00:39:35,599
intelligence

828
00:39:41,430 --> 00:39:38,640
and its history and its foundations is

829
00:39:42,390 --> 00:39:41,440
is profound is that something that you

830
00:39:44,950 --> 00:39:42,400
were always

831
00:39:46,870 --> 00:39:44,960
into growing up and and following the

832
00:39:48,230 --> 00:39:46,880
trends and the curves

833
00:39:50,150 --> 00:39:48,240
yeah i've been really interested in the

834
00:39:53,270 --> 00:39:50,160
subject for a while you know

835
00:39:53,750 --> 00:39:53,280
some of my uh knowledge that you know to

836
00:39:56,150 --> 00:39:53,760
others

837
00:39:57,270 --> 00:39:56,160
might seem like you know some miracle

838
00:40:00,790 --> 00:39:57,280
that i have on

839
00:40:03,510 --> 00:40:00,800
a wide amount of subjects is due to

840
00:40:03,910 --> 00:40:03,520
other massive problems in my life so

841
00:40:06,150 --> 00:40:03,920
like

842
00:40:07,349 --> 00:40:06,160
it's a balance that i seem to have

843
00:40:08,950 --> 00:40:07,359
because uh

844
00:40:11,829 --> 00:40:08,960
a lot of listeners here might not know

845
00:40:13,510 --> 00:40:11,839
but uh i have a serious psychological

846
00:40:14,870 --> 00:40:13,520
problem that keeps me from being able to

847
00:40:18,230 --> 00:40:14,880
sleep easily

848
00:40:20,630 --> 00:40:18,240
without a lot of sound around me

849
00:40:21,270 --> 00:40:20,640
so um you know don't share a hotel room

850
00:40:23,910 --> 00:40:21,280
with me

851
00:40:25,510 --> 00:40:23,920
uh but i listen to audio books every

852
00:40:27,430 --> 00:40:25,520
single night of my life and i'll get

853
00:40:29,190 --> 00:40:27,440
hours of them in before i actually fall

854
00:40:31,829 --> 00:40:29,200
asleep so

855
00:40:33,750 --> 00:40:31,839
it's been since i was you know in in my

856
00:40:35,270 --> 00:40:33,760
young age and we were getting uh getting

857
00:40:36,870 --> 00:40:35,280
them from the library and i was

858
00:40:38,230 --> 00:40:36,880
re-listening to multiple like

859
00:40:39,990 --> 00:40:38,240
two or three of them like 10 times a

860
00:40:42,550 --> 00:40:40,000
month to get through them but um

861
00:40:43,910 --> 00:40:42,560
i've listened to thousands and thousands

862
00:40:44,710 --> 00:40:43,920
of books on every subject you can

863
00:40:47,190 --> 00:40:44,720
imagine

864
00:40:48,390 --> 00:40:47,200
just to be able to sleep normal or as

865
00:40:51,990 --> 00:40:48,400
normal as i can get

866
00:40:53,589 --> 00:40:52,000
right and um so that has helped a lot

867
00:40:56,150 --> 00:40:53,599
it's a hindrance but it's also helped a

868
00:40:59,349 --> 00:40:56,160
lot i i do the same thing

869
00:40:59,910 --> 00:40:59,359
um i fell into that naturally well yeah

870
00:41:43,430 --> 00:40:59,920
i

871
00:41:47,030 --> 00:41:43,440
the way back to the late 60s early 70s

872
00:41:47,510 --> 00:41:47,040
so you can find papers on where we might

873
00:41:49,829 --> 00:41:47,520
end up

874
00:41:50,950 --> 00:41:49,839
and and what estimates were of when we

875
00:41:53,589 --> 00:41:50,960
might get there

876
00:41:54,230 --> 00:41:53,599
going back to like mit in the 70s it's

877
00:41:57,990 --> 00:41:54,240
crazy

878
00:41:59,670 --> 00:41:58,000
yeah that's right and now

879
00:42:01,510 --> 00:41:59,680
talking about the history of it and

880
00:42:03,270 --> 00:42:01,520
we're gonna we're gonna fall back to

881
00:42:06,550 --> 00:42:03,280
that in just a second

882
00:42:08,710 --> 00:42:06,560
today it's there's a very strange thing

883
00:42:10,470 --> 00:42:08,720
going on you have kurzweil

884
00:42:11,990 --> 00:42:10,480
and his point of view and a lot of

885
00:42:15,030 --> 00:42:12,000
people listen to that guy

886
00:42:17,109 --> 00:42:15,040
he's a talker hate to think he gets paid

887
00:42:19,109 --> 00:42:17,119
to think and talk

888
00:42:20,550 --> 00:42:19,119
and so but then you have like nick

889
00:42:23,589 --> 00:42:20,560
bostrom right

890
00:42:26,790 --> 00:42:23,599
uh you have sam harris uh and

891
00:42:29,750 --> 00:42:26,800
others that uh have these

892
00:42:30,309 --> 00:42:29,760
different points of view but i think a

893
00:42:34,230 --> 00:42:30,319
large

894
00:42:34,950 --> 00:42:34,240
chunk of it is is fear-based and it's as

895
00:42:37,109 --> 00:42:34,960
it should be

896
00:42:38,230 --> 00:42:37,119
i mean we should definitely have

897
00:42:40,470 --> 00:42:38,240
warnings

898
00:42:42,710 --> 00:42:40,480
uh about it so we know where we're going

899
00:42:45,589 --> 00:42:42,720
and then you had the other side

900
00:42:47,589 --> 00:42:45,599
which is uh the the coders and the

901
00:42:50,230 --> 00:42:47,599
programmers and the corporations

902
00:42:51,430 --> 00:42:50,240
that'll say ah nothing to see here ah we

903
00:42:54,550 --> 00:42:51,440
got a hundred

904
00:42:55,190 --> 00:42:54,560
years before we're even close to even

905
00:42:56,630 --> 00:42:55,200
having an

906
00:42:57,829 --> 00:42:56,640
issue there's people that think we're

907
00:42:59,030 --> 00:42:57,839
ten years away and there's people that

908
00:43:00,950 --> 00:42:59,040
think we're a century away

909
00:43:02,470 --> 00:43:00,960
right right and so what do we do with

910
00:43:06,150 --> 00:43:02,480
that as as

911
00:43:07,190 --> 00:43:06,160
as pop culture listens right now this is

912
00:43:08,710 --> 00:43:07,200
something that is

913
00:43:10,230 --> 00:43:08,720
talked about more and more in the

914
00:43:11,750 --> 00:43:10,240
mainstream you want to see something

915
00:43:14,309 --> 00:43:11,760
with a million views

916
00:43:16,150 --> 00:43:14,319
go find a sam harris video on artificial

917
00:43:19,349 --> 00:43:16,160
intelligence right

918
00:43:20,630 --> 00:43:19,359
well you know i mean i the the kind of

919
00:43:23,670 --> 00:43:20,640
fear-based uh

920
00:43:26,950 --> 00:43:23,680
looking at this uh does actually go back

921
00:43:28,790 --> 00:43:26,960
too early in the history uh one of kind

922
00:43:29,109 --> 00:43:28,800
of the the most thrown around quotes is

923
00:43:32,870 --> 00:43:29,119
the

924
00:43:35,990 --> 00:43:32,880
keep us

925
00:43:38,710 --> 00:43:36,000
as pets when referring to ai and the

926
00:43:40,950 --> 00:43:38,720
robots that you know build up around ai

927
00:43:42,470 --> 00:43:40,960
and that was uh was that it was marvin

928
00:43:46,230 --> 00:43:42,480
minsky uh the the

929
00:43:48,150 --> 00:43:46,240
mit uh laureate there he um

930
00:43:50,390 --> 00:43:48,160
he said that and a lot of other people

931
00:43:52,470 --> 00:43:50,400
have heard kind of the additional or the

932
00:43:54,550 --> 00:43:52,480
newer version of that because uh

933
00:43:56,550 --> 00:43:54,560
kurzweil actually put it in a couple of

934
00:43:59,349 --> 00:43:56,560
his books and it was by uh

935
00:44:00,309 --> 00:43:59,359
a futurist much like kurzweil is uh paul

936
00:44:02,309 --> 00:44:00,319
saffo

937
00:44:03,670 --> 00:44:02,319
and uh he's got a lot of really cool

938
00:44:04,710 --> 00:44:03,680
writings on the subject but the thing

939
00:44:07,430 --> 00:44:04,720
that he said was

940
00:44:09,589 --> 00:44:07,440
uh if we're lucky they will treat us as

941
00:44:12,870 --> 00:44:09,599
pets and if we're very unlucky

942
00:44:14,710 --> 00:44:12,880
they will treat us as food um and you

943
00:44:16,150 --> 00:44:14,720
know i think he was kind of uh

944
00:44:17,750 --> 00:44:16,160
watching a little too much matrix when

945
00:44:19,910 --> 00:44:17,760
he said that but uh

946
00:44:21,589 --> 00:44:19,920
you know i i still don't think you know

947
00:44:23,750 --> 00:44:21,599
they're far off from possibilities

948
00:44:26,150 --> 00:44:23,760
there's there's a lot you can uh

949
00:44:27,430 --> 00:44:26,160
do to prevent that possibility though

950
00:44:30,550 --> 00:44:27,440
well

951
00:44:34,309 --> 00:44:30,560
that kind of fear right the jolting fear

952
00:44:37,750 --> 00:44:34,319
to kind of shake you uh to your senses

953
00:44:39,270 --> 00:44:37,760
is needed a softer warning won't get the

954
00:44:40,950 --> 00:44:39,280
attention

955
00:44:43,270 --> 00:44:40,960
sure i mean humans work that way but

956
00:44:44,710 --> 00:44:43,280
like you have to kind of look at this

957
00:44:46,550 --> 00:44:44,720
and there you kind of mentioned it as

958
00:44:47,990 --> 00:44:46,560
two kind of sides but there's

959
00:44:49,990 --> 00:44:48,000
there's i think kind of three sides

960
00:44:52,309 --> 00:44:50,000
there's a super fearful there's the

961
00:44:53,109 --> 00:44:52,319
gung-ho right ahead and then there's

962
00:44:53,990 --> 00:44:53,119
kind of like

963
00:44:56,230 --> 00:44:54,000
there's a movement called the

964
00:44:57,750 --> 00:44:56,240
transhumanists and they um are very

965
00:44:59,910 --> 00:44:57,760
specifically like

966
00:45:01,910 --> 00:44:59,920
let's move ahead but let's also instead

967
00:45:03,589 --> 00:45:01,920
of it's a separate thing

968
00:45:04,710 --> 00:45:03,599
it's a merging thing they're they're

969
00:45:05,990 --> 00:45:04,720
they're the ones who are going to end up

970
00:45:09,109 --> 00:45:06,000
as cyborgs

971
00:45:10,230 --> 00:45:09,119
um is how i see it there's kind of like

972
00:45:12,470 --> 00:45:10,240
three sides to it

973
00:45:14,230 --> 00:45:12,480
yeah you're right about that and and

974
00:45:16,790 --> 00:45:14,240
what's really strange

975
00:45:18,550 --> 00:45:16,800
that's where elon musk is playing both

976
00:45:20,069 --> 00:45:18,560
sides of the fence

977
00:45:21,750 --> 00:45:20,079
right yeah with his girl link and all

978
00:45:23,910 --> 00:45:21,760
the other stuff right he's got neurolink

979
00:45:25,750 --> 00:45:23,920
and then on the other hand he's like uh

980
00:45:28,390 --> 00:45:25,760
we need to worry about artificial

981
00:45:31,270 --> 00:45:28,400
intelligence not nuclear weapons

982
00:45:31,990 --> 00:45:31,280
you know what i mean sure but i mean

983
00:45:33,589 --> 00:45:32,000
that goes down

984
00:45:35,349 --> 00:45:33,599
to some uh some interesting

985
00:45:36,390 --> 00:45:35,359
psychological stuff some human nature

986
00:45:38,230 --> 00:45:36,400
stuff that uh

987
00:45:40,069 --> 00:45:38,240
that we can talk about but like first i

988
00:45:42,150 --> 00:45:40,079
mean we haven't really framed

989
00:45:43,270 --> 00:45:42,160
the thing we're talking about like you

990
00:45:44,710 --> 00:45:43,280
know

991
00:45:46,470 --> 00:45:44,720
when you first asked me to come on you

992
00:45:48,069 --> 00:45:46,480
kind of mentioned the singularity and

993
00:45:50,390 --> 00:45:48,079
you know that that's kind of

994
00:45:51,750 --> 00:45:50,400
that that's the big word in the space

995
00:45:54,710 --> 00:45:51,760
right when does it happen

996
00:45:55,030 --> 00:45:54,720
and what exactly is it mm-hmm that's

997
00:45:58,470 --> 00:45:55,040
right

998
00:46:00,630 --> 00:45:58,480
um well oh i want everybody to know

999
00:46:02,550 --> 00:46:00,640
uh let's let's actually back that up

1000
00:46:05,109 --> 00:46:02,560
that's a good statement by you

1001
00:46:05,829 --> 00:46:05,119
we planned this show freaking three

1002
00:46:08,150 --> 00:46:05,839
months ago

1003
00:46:09,670 --> 00:46:08,160
you didn't you didn't say that part it's

1004
00:46:13,109 --> 00:46:09,680
not like we didn't plan

1005
00:46:15,589 --> 00:46:13,119
i didn't call you yesterday right

1006
00:46:16,230 --> 00:46:15,599
been working on this for a long time and

1007
00:46:23,430 --> 00:46:16,240
uh

1008
00:46:26,390 --> 00:46:23,440
things but we

1009
00:46:27,430 --> 00:46:26,400
we keep coming back to including myself

1010
00:46:30,710 --> 00:46:27,440
directly

1011
00:46:33,670 --> 00:46:30,720
is the singularity because i think

1012
00:46:33,990 --> 00:46:33,680
most of us was okay let's actually start

1013
00:46:36,630 --> 00:46:34,000
there

1014
00:46:37,990 --> 00:46:36,640
you're right let's frame this up was

1015
00:46:41,990 --> 00:46:38,000
singularity

1016
00:46:44,710 --> 00:46:42,000
uh a ray kurzweil thing did it predate

1017
00:46:45,589 --> 00:46:44,720
kurzweil did he just bring it into the

1018
00:46:48,069 --> 00:46:45,599
public

1019
00:46:49,510 --> 00:46:48,079
or did it get mentioned somewhere else

1020
00:46:53,030 --> 00:46:49,520
first

1021
00:46:54,790 --> 00:46:53,040
so it existed before him as some general

1022
00:46:56,550 --> 00:46:54,800
ideas among kind of the groups of

1023
00:46:59,510 --> 00:46:56,560
futurists who are already looking

1024
00:46:59,750 --> 00:46:59,520
at things like the difference between ai

1025
00:47:01,589 --> 00:46:59,760
and

1026
00:47:03,349 --> 00:47:01,599
agi which will kind of get into those

1027
00:47:05,109 --> 00:47:03,359
definitions in a little bit but that's

1028
00:47:06,550 --> 00:47:05,119
artificial intelligence and artificial

1029
00:47:10,069 --> 00:47:06,560
general intelligence

1030
00:47:12,390 --> 00:47:10,079
but as a kind of succinct idea of

1031
00:47:14,150 --> 00:47:12,400
here is the singularity i really give

1032
00:47:15,670 --> 00:47:14,160
that credit to ray i mean when you read

1033
00:47:16,309 --> 00:47:15,680
the early stuff that he was writing

1034
00:47:18,550 --> 00:47:16,319
about it

1035
00:47:20,230 --> 00:47:18,560
and early isn't that long ago for ray i

1036
00:47:21,430 --> 00:47:20,240
mean his first books that even touched

1037
00:47:23,670 --> 00:47:21,440
on some of this were

1038
00:47:25,510 --> 00:47:23,680
late 90s and his kind of seminal works

1039
00:47:27,990 --> 00:47:25,520
for early 2000s

1040
00:47:29,589 --> 00:47:28,000
um so it's not like you know he was 40

1041
00:47:30,549 --> 00:47:29,599
50 years ago with his ideas on this

1042
00:47:32,790 --> 00:47:30,559
stuff

1043
00:47:34,390 --> 00:47:32,800
but um you know the way i look at the

1044
00:47:36,150 --> 00:47:34,400
singularity i've kind of you know

1045
00:47:38,710 --> 00:47:36,160
i've read about it i've thought about it

1046
00:47:39,990 --> 00:47:38,720
i've watched every documentary that even

1047
00:47:43,109 --> 00:47:40,000
mentions the word you know

1048
00:47:44,710 --> 00:47:43,119
in my time and you know for the audience

1049
00:47:47,030 --> 00:47:44,720
like the singularity is

1050
00:47:49,030 --> 00:47:47,040
it's the idea that there will be a

1051
00:47:51,190 --> 00:47:49,040
singular point where

1052
00:47:52,390 --> 00:47:51,200
computers become as intelligent as

1053
00:47:55,430 --> 00:47:52,400
humans are

1054
00:47:57,750 --> 00:47:55,440
uh and at that point the state

1055
00:47:59,510 --> 00:47:57,760
things will will be is is really

1056
00:48:02,150 --> 00:47:59,520
irreversibly altered

1057
00:48:03,030 --> 00:48:02,160
like the the future is there's no going

1058
00:48:04,790 --> 00:48:03,040
back from that

1059
00:48:06,710 --> 00:48:04,800
unless the one first machine who gets

1060
00:48:08,390 --> 00:48:06,720
there is destroyed the instant it gets

1061
00:48:10,950 --> 00:48:08,400
there as well

1062
00:48:12,790 --> 00:48:10,960
so it's irreversibly altered our future

1063
00:48:15,589 --> 00:48:12,800
human future is at that point

1064
00:48:16,710 --> 00:48:15,599
um and computers will get better and

1065
00:48:19,030 --> 00:48:16,720
smarter

1066
00:48:20,069 --> 00:48:19,040
faster than any human human can once

1067
00:48:22,549 --> 00:48:20,079
once the singularity

1068
00:48:24,230 --> 00:48:22,559
happens um you know their their version

1069
00:48:27,109 --> 00:48:24,240
of kind of evolution will be

1070
00:48:28,630 --> 00:48:27,119
at a pace that we won't even have words

1071
00:48:31,030 --> 00:48:28,640
to measure i don't think that

1072
00:48:33,510 --> 00:48:31,040
they will start to redesign themselves

1073
00:48:35,430 --> 00:48:33,520
um you know imagine that a computer

1074
00:48:36,790 --> 00:48:35,440
we design and then we build the

1075
00:48:39,750 --> 00:48:36,800
manufacturing process

1076
00:48:41,510 --> 00:48:39,760
and then we build the computer and years

1077
00:48:43,430 --> 00:48:41,520
later that that computer's in someone's

1078
00:48:44,230 --> 00:48:43,440
hands you know a computer will be able

1079
00:48:47,430 --> 00:48:44,240
to

1080
00:48:48,069 --> 00:48:47,440
you make your manufacturing faster

1081
00:48:49,589 --> 00:48:48,079
because

1082
00:48:51,430 --> 00:48:49,599
i'm smarter than you and i figured that

1083
00:48:52,950 --> 00:48:51,440
out and here's the new design just

1084
00:48:54,549 --> 00:48:52,960
change this thing and the next computer

1085
00:48:56,069 --> 00:48:54,559
will be a little faster

1086
00:48:58,470 --> 00:48:56,079
you go build the thing in a year later

1087
00:48:59,430 --> 00:48:58,480
you turn it on that computer spends the

1088
00:49:01,349 --> 00:48:59,440
next couple months

1089
00:49:03,349 --> 00:49:01,359
giving you the design for the next

1090
00:49:05,109 --> 00:49:03,359
computer and so on

1091
00:49:07,109 --> 00:49:05,119
and soon they're giving you design

1092
00:49:08,790 --> 00:49:07,119
tweaks that only take weeks to build

1093
00:49:10,470 --> 00:49:08,800
and finally you have the most powerful

1094
00:49:13,190 --> 00:49:10,480
fastest computer that can physically

1095
00:49:14,870 --> 00:49:13,200
exist the measurement of how long it

1096
00:49:17,589 --> 00:49:14,880
takes for the singularity to actually

1097
00:49:19,349 --> 00:49:17,599
occur where that computer really exists

1098
00:49:21,670 --> 00:49:19,359
who knows some people say that takes you

1099
00:49:22,790 --> 00:49:21,680
know only a couple years after we reach

1100
00:49:25,270 --> 00:49:22,800
the point of

1101
00:49:26,790 --> 00:49:25,280
agi and and others say it takes a

1102
00:49:28,150 --> 00:49:26,800
century afterward but

1103
00:49:29,670 --> 00:49:28,160
we just don't know and i don't think we

1104
00:49:29,990 --> 00:49:29,680
can really judge that until it actually

1105
00:49:32,470 --> 00:49:30,000
starts

1106
00:49:33,589 --> 00:49:32,480
to happen but like they will speed up at

1107
00:49:35,990 --> 00:49:33,599
a rate that we just don't

1108
00:49:36,870 --> 00:49:36,000
understand and you know what happens

1109
00:49:38,870 --> 00:49:36,880
then

1110
00:49:40,790 --> 00:49:38,880
it's it's all speculation at this point

1111
00:49:43,430 --> 00:49:40,800
you know we have no idea

1112
00:49:44,230 --> 00:49:43,440
so we're just uh sitting here talking

1113
00:49:47,510 --> 00:49:44,240
about

1114
00:49:49,829 --> 00:49:47,520
the what ifs and what we can do

1115
00:49:50,950 --> 00:49:49,839
as the people talking about it to come

1116
00:49:53,589 --> 00:49:50,960
up with uh

1117
00:49:55,430 --> 00:49:53,599
platforms and strategies that uh prevent

1118
00:49:57,190 --> 00:49:55,440
that from going in any of the

1119
00:49:59,109 --> 00:49:57,200
bad ways that people talk about like

1120
00:50:00,549 --> 00:49:59,119
those quotes from earlier about becoming

1121
00:50:02,870 --> 00:50:00,559
the pet or the food

1122
00:50:05,109 --> 00:50:02,880
uh we don't want either of those um

1123
00:50:07,750 --> 00:50:05,119
that's why that's we want to be seen as

1124
00:50:08,390 --> 00:50:07,760
as friends and equals now that's right

1125
00:50:11,430 --> 00:50:08,400
and

1126
00:50:15,190 --> 00:50:11,440
the other definition

1127
00:50:17,030 --> 00:50:15,200
of the singularity is

1128
00:50:18,390 --> 00:50:17,040
the one that has been created in the

1129
00:50:21,430 --> 00:50:18,400
minds of

1130
00:50:24,390 --> 00:50:21,440
the rest of the planet which is

1131
00:50:26,710 --> 00:50:24,400
the singularity means at that moment

1132
00:50:30,230 --> 00:50:26,720
down to the nanosecond

1133
00:50:31,670 --> 00:50:30,240
that is the end of mankind right that's

1134
00:50:35,190 --> 00:50:31,680
the that's that that's

1135
00:50:38,950 --> 00:50:35,200
that's the date that's the event and

1136
00:50:42,069 --> 00:50:38,960
uh calculated in seconds moving forward

1137
00:50:45,510 --> 00:50:42,079
are machines uh absolutely

1138
00:50:46,390 --> 00:50:45,520
taking over everything uh exponentially

1139
00:50:50,150 --> 00:50:46,400
fast

1140
00:50:51,829 --> 00:50:50,160
and it will be down to hours not years

1141
00:50:53,670 --> 00:50:51,839
that's the other part of singularity

1142
00:50:55,910 --> 00:50:53,680
that freaks people out

1143
00:50:57,349 --> 00:50:55,920
well for that you have physics to get in

1144
00:50:58,309 --> 00:50:57,359
the way and slow it down a little you

1145
00:51:00,790 --> 00:50:58,319
have you know the

1146
00:51:01,990 --> 00:51:00,800
general nature of our universe um sure

1147
00:51:03,030 --> 00:51:02,000
they're going to come up with some newer

1148
00:51:04,790 --> 00:51:03,040
science that uh

1149
00:51:06,390 --> 00:51:04,800
speeds them up a little faster than us

1150
00:51:07,670 --> 00:51:06,400
but when they got to build something

1151
00:51:09,109 --> 00:51:07,680
they still have to get the minerals out

1152
00:51:11,109 --> 00:51:09,119
of the ground until they've come up with

1153
00:51:11,750 --> 00:51:11,119
a way to put the molecules together from

1154
00:51:14,069 --> 00:51:11,760
base

1155
00:51:15,750 --> 00:51:14,079
you know atoms and whatnot uh and

1156
00:51:17,270 --> 00:51:15,760
they'll get there too but you know

1157
00:51:19,190 --> 00:51:17,280
it'll take them time to be able to do

1158
00:51:21,510 --> 00:51:19,200
that so i don't think it'll go

1159
00:51:22,630 --> 00:51:21,520
that fast when they get there personally

1160
00:51:25,270 --> 00:51:22,640
but the other thing is like

1161
00:51:26,790 --> 00:51:25,280
agi is is a way off artificial general

1162
00:51:28,309 --> 00:51:26,800
intelligence is what's going to lead to

1163
00:51:30,150 --> 00:51:28,319
this and that's the

1164
00:51:31,670 --> 00:51:30,160
the idea that ai is you know just

1165
00:51:34,230 --> 00:51:31,680
artificial intelligence but

1166
00:51:35,349 --> 00:51:34,240
that's very um contained it's very

1167
00:51:36,950 --> 00:51:35,359
specific you

1168
00:51:38,790 --> 00:51:36,960
you can build an ai that's really good

1169
00:51:41,030 --> 00:51:38,800
at writing article titles

1170
00:51:42,549 --> 00:51:41,040
uh it's a machine learned uh some of

1171
00:51:43,030 --> 00:51:42,559
them are even neural network based you

1172
00:51:45,190 --> 00:51:43,040
know

1173
00:51:46,470 --> 00:51:45,200
there's the the new um the new model

1174
00:51:48,710 --> 00:51:46,480
called gpt3

1175
00:51:49,670 --> 00:51:48,720
which now microsoft gets an exclusive

1176
00:51:52,710 --> 00:51:49,680
license to

1177
00:51:54,230 --> 00:51:52,720
and we all get to go uh get f'd um

1178
00:51:54,630 --> 00:51:54,240
because they bought that a couple days

1179
00:51:56,630 --> 00:51:54,640
ago

1180
00:51:58,630 --> 00:51:56,640
right um but that model is amazing it

1181
00:51:59,109 --> 00:51:58,640
can write like entire blog posts for you

1182
00:52:03,990 --> 00:51:59,119
and

1183
00:52:04,790 --> 00:52:04,000
but it's targeted at that one thing it

1184
00:52:06,950 --> 00:52:04,800
can't do

1185
00:52:08,790 --> 00:52:06,960
anything else like you feed it text it

1186
00:52:13,109 --> 00:52:08,800
generates other text right

1187
00:52:14,950 --> 00:52:13,119
a gi is the idea of an ai actually being

1188
00:52:16,390 --> 00:52:14,960
generally intelligent like humans are

1189
00:52:18,549 --> 00:52:16,400
generally intelligent

1190
00:52:20,150 --> 00:52:18,559
you know we we can do a hundred

1191
00:52:22,710 --> 00:52:20,160
different things and we

1192
00:52:24,069 --> 00:52:22,720
do the one thing that is super important

1193
00:52:25,910 --> 00:52:24,079
to agi that

1194
00:52:27,910 --> 00:52:25,920
you rarely hear people talk about unless

1195
00:52:30,829 --> 00:52:27,920
they're in you know kind of

1196
00:52:32,390 --> 00:52:30,839
academic circles is goal and

1197
00:52:35,829 --> 00:52:32,400
achievements you know

1198
00:52:36,710 --> 00:52:35,839
part of getting to agi is you have to

1199
00:52:39,589 --> 00:52:36,720
have something

1200
00:52:41,670 --> 00:52:39,599
wanting to to do something and then

1201
00:52:43,910 --> 00:52:41,680
being happy that it did it or of course

1202
00:52:46,309 --> 00:52:43,920
sad that it did it but the idea that you

1203
00:52:48,710 --> 00:52:46,319
know goals are everywhere as humans we

1204
00:52:50,309 --> 00:52:48,720
we we set goals with everything we do

1205
00:52:52,630 --> 00:52:50,319
if i need to go use the restroom during

1206
00:52:54,549 --> 00:52:52,640
one of our breaks here my first goal is

1207
00:52:56,630 --> 00:52:54,559
standing up from the chair when i'm

1208
00:52:59,589 --> 00:52:56,640
stood up goal achieved

1209
00:53:00,309 --> 00:52:59,599
now the machine has to get to a point

1210
00:53:02,549 --> 00:53:00,319
where

1211
00:53:04,230 --> 00:53:02,559
it starts setting goals as simple as

1212
00:53:04,549 --> 00:53:04,240
that all the way up to the point where

1213
00:53:08,630 --> 00:53:04,559
it

1214
00:53:10,230 --> 00:53:08,640
away is the moon

1215
00:53:12,630 --> 00:53:10,240
and then it learns it and then goal

1216
00:53:14,470 --> 00:53:12,640
achieved or how does the sun work

1217
00:53:16,390 --> 00:53:14,480
but it has to get to a point where it is

1218
00:53:18,470 --> 00:53:16,400
setting those goals for itself

1219
00:53:20,710 --> 00:53:18,480
and that's a that's a very strange

1220
00:53:21,829 --> 00:53:20,720
actual obstacle to overcome where it's

1221
00:53:24,549 --> 00:53:21,839
not just

1222
00:53:26,470 --> 00:53:24,559
being fed lists or being trained on

1223
00:53:27,510 --> 00:53:26,480
models of human data but it actually

1224
00:53:29,670 --> 00:53:27,520
starts to

1225
00:53:30,950 --> 00:53:29,680
build its own goals and do its own work

1226
00:53:34,230 --> 00:53:30,960
towards those goals

1227
00:53:36,390 --> 00:53:34,240
and to have them make any sense well

1228
00:53:37,270 --> 00:53:36,400
there's and that is such an excellent

1229
00:53:39,109 --> 00:53:37,280
point

1230
00:53:40,870 --> 00:53:39,119
and there's two things to consider off

1231
00:53:43,430 --> 00:53:40,880
of that it's

1232
00:53:45,270 --> 00:53:43,440
when you achieve the goal humans

1233
00:53:48,309 --> 00:53:45,280
immediately

1234
00:53:49,670 --> 00:53:48,319
think of a new goal right there right

1235
00:53:51,190 --> 00:53:49,680
it's our nature it's our nature you

1236
00:53:52,069 --> 00:53:51,200
complete something what am i going to do

1237
00:53:54,150 --> 00:53:52,079
next

1238
00:53:55,109 --> 00:53:54,160
well that's the other part of agi that

1239
00:53:58,069 --> 00:53:55,119
has to be

1240
00:53:59,030 --> 00:53:58,079
uh achieved because that is a human

1241
00:54:01,510 --> 00:53:59,040
instinctual

1242
00:54:02,710 --> 00:54:01,520
thing that is unique to our

1243
00:54:05,030 --> 00:54:02,720
consciousness

1244
00:54:06,790 --> 00:54:05,040
uh but there is another thing when it

1245
00:54:10,150 --> 00:54:06,800
comes to agi

1246
00:54:13,750 --> 00:54:10,160
that i find nearly

1247
00:54:16,790 --> 00:54:13,760
insurmountable nearly and that is

1248
00:54:19,829 --> 00:54:16,800
our decisions your decisions greg

1249
00:54:23,190 --> 00:54:19,839
that you make the majority of them

1250
00:54:24,150 --> 00:54:23,200
are of your history and something

1251
00:54:27,910 --> 00:54:24,160
emotional

1252
00:54:30,870 --> 00:54:27,920
that you did why would you buy

1253
00:54:32,069 --> 00:54:30,880
a blue car why would that decision

1254
00:54:34,309 --> 00:54:32,079
happen

1255
00:54:35,829 --> 00:54:34,319
why you had my favorite color my mom on

1256
00:54:37,670 --> 00:54:35,839
the blue car that i'm remembering

1257
00:54:39,430 --> 00:54:37,680
all kinds of reasons yeah even more so

1258
00:54:42,150 --> 00:54:39,440
than that right uh

1259
00:54:43,190 --> 00:54:42,160
you had a friend that had a blue schwinn

1260
00:54:45,910 --> 00:54:43,200
bicycle

1261
00:54:46,470 --> 00:54:45,920
right and and and you were able to touch

1262
00:54:48,230 --> 00:54:46,480
it

1263
00:54:49,750 --> 00:54:48,240
or whatever you know these things are

1264
00:54:52,789 --> 00:54:49,760
emotionally driven

1265
00:54:54,870 --> 00:54:52,799
that those references and that history

1266
00:54:56,470 --> 00:54:54,880
isn't there naturally it can be

1267
00:54:58,789 --> 00:54:56,480
programmed in

1268
00:54:59,589 --> 00:54:58,799
those memories into a computer but to

1269
00:55:02,309 --> 00:54:59,599
experience

1270
00:55:02,950 --> 00:55:02,319
them and have the emotional reasons why

1271
00:55:05,750 --> 00:55:02,960
they are

1272
00:55:06,950 --> 00:55:05,760
important to you um but then you're

1273
00:55:10,549 --> 00:55:06,960
getting into the next

1274
00:55:13,109 --> 00:55:10,559
really big part of uh an agi in an

1275
00:55:14,789 --> 00:55:13,119
actual the difference between you know

1276
00:55:17,349 --> 00:55:14,799
just artificial intelligence

1277
00:55:17,910 --> 00:55:17,359
and something that's almost sentient

1278
00:55:21,510 --> 00:55:17,920
right

1279
00:55:25,829 --> 00:55:21,520
consciousness

1280
00:55:27,190 --> 00:55:25,839
point i'm just

1281
00:55:28,630 --> 00:55:27,200
gonna say it and some of the scientists

1282
00:55:29,750 --> 00:55:28,640
out there will hate the way i word this

1283
00:55:32,309 --> 00:55:29,760
but um

1284
00:55:34,150 --> 00:55:32,319
it's just a word at this point that is

1285
00:55:36,390 --> 00:55:34,160
loosely defined

1286
00:55:37,270 --> 00:55:36,400
and you will find a thousand scientists

1287
00:55:39,430 --> 00:55:37,280
who will give you

1288
00:55:41,510 --> 00:55:39,440
a different uh description for it you

1289
00:55:42,630 --> 00:55:41,520
will find a thousand psychologists and

1290
00:55:44,069 --> 00:55:42,640
psychiatrists that

1291
00:55:45,750 --> 00:55:44,079
explain it to you differently

1292
00:55:48,150 --> 00:55:45,760
consciousness is

1293
00:55:50,390 --> 00:55:48,160
is not measurable from the outside of

1294
00:55:52,150 --> 00:55:50,400
the living being that has consciousness

1295
00:55:54,230 --> 00:55:52,160
it's not a thing that you can look at

1296
00:55:57,270 --> 00:55:54,240
and say here it is it is

1297
00:55:58,470 --> 00:55:57,280
it is mostly the the way we perceive the

1298
00:56:01,270 --> 00:55:58,480
world

1299
00:56:02,309 --> 00:56:01,280
and how our brains specifically in

1300
00:56:04,950 --> 00:56:02,319
interacting with

1301
00:56:06,789 --> 00:56:04,960
other parts of our brain chooses to

1302
00:56:09,430 --> 00:56:06,799
perceive that world and then present it

1303
00:56:10,950 --> 00:56:09,440
to those other parts of our brain um

1304
00:56:12,950 --> 00:56:10,960
that makes up what we consider

1305
00:56:15,270 --> 00:56:12,960
consciousness right now and you know

1306
00:56:17,270 --> 00:56:15,280
consciousness is going to be necessary

1307
00:56:19,190 --> 00:56:17,280
to make the types of different uh

1308
00:56:20,309 --> 00:56:19,200
decisions and inferences you're talking

1309
00:56:22,230 --> 00:56:20,319
about from

1310
00:56:23,829 --> 00:56:22,240
you know memory and stuff like that um

1311
00:56:26,710 --> 00:56:23,839
and to really have any kind of

1312
00:56:27,829 --> 00:56:26,720
emotional strength there and we still

1313
00:56:29,270 --> 00:56:27,839
personally as humans

1314
00:56:31,510 --> 00:56:29,280
can't properly come up with a

1315
00:56:34,789 --> 00:56:31,520
description of consciousness that

1316
00:56:37,750 --> 00:56:34,799
any ten people in a room could agree on

1317
00:56:38,069 --> 00:56:37,760
uh so uh we're still far away from that

1318
00:56:41,030 --> 00:56:38,079
one

1319
00:56:42,630 --> 00:56:41,040
uh which also means that maybe computers

1320
00:56:44,069 --> 00:56:42,640
don't need it in the way that we see it

1321
00:56:47,349 --> 00:56:44,079
maybe they come up with their own

1322
00:56:48,390 --> 00:56:47,359
version of it right and the the

1323
00:56:51,829 --> 00:56:48,400
fascinating

1324
00:56:54,870 --> 00:56:51,839
thing about all of that

1325
00:56:56,390 --> 00:56:54,880
is when you start to get man

1326
00:56:58,309 --> 00:56:56,400
consciousness is like the biggest

1327
00:56:58,789 --> 00:56:58,319
conversation that anybody can have these

1328
00:57:02,230 --> 00:56:58,799
days

1329
00:57:05,030 --> 00:57:02,240
whether you're a physicist uh agnostic

1330
00:57:05,670 --> 00:57:05,040
religious not religious to your creation

1331
00:57:07,990 --> 00:57:05,680
it doesn't

1332
00:57:09,829 --> 00:57:08,000
matter who you you get into this and

1333
00:57:10,950 --> 00:57:09,839
it's a conversation that most people are

1334
00:57:13,030 --> 00:57:10,960
afraid to have

1335
00:57:14,549 --> 00:57:13,040
because you're getting into a very

1336
00:57:16,470 --> 00:57:14,559
touchy zone

1337
00:57:18,150 --> 00:57:16,480
it's too vague it's too amorphous and

1338
00:57:19,190 --> 00:57:18,160
you can't actually put your finger on it

1339
00:57:23,670 --> 00:57:19,200
you can't measure it

1340
00:57:24,789 --> 00:57:23,680
also you can't say you know it exactly

1341
00:57:27,190 --> 00:57:24,799
is this one thing

1342
00:57:28,309 --> 00:57:27,200
without either lying to yourself or

1343
00:57:31,510 --> 00:57:28,319
lying to the public

1344
00:57:33,270 --> 00:57:31,520
and and i was listening to i've got uh

1345
00:57:34,470 --> 00:57:33,280
uh two minutes before the break so i'm

1346
00:57:35,510 --> 00:57:34,480
gonna make this quick so i can get you

1347
00:57:37,510 --> 00:57:35,520
to respond

1348
00:57:38,789 --> 00:57:37,520
and that is i've been listening to

1349
00:57:40,950 --> 00:57:38,799
different physicists

1350
00:57:42,150 --> 00:57:40,960
uh and theoretical physicists talk about

1351
00:57:46,309 --> 00:57:42,160
this over the last

1352
00:57:49,829 --> 00:57:46,319
few years and one of the

1353
00:57:51,910 --> 00:57:49,839
views that they are trying to do so they

1354
00:57:55,510 --> 00:57:51,920
don't freak out all of their fans

1355
00:57:58,549 --> 00:57:55,520
right is that maybe consciousness

1356
00:57:59,910 --> 00:57:58,559
is in everything at the atomic and

1357
00:58:03,349 --> 00:57:59,920
quantum level

1358
00:58:05,829 --> 00:58:03,359
just a little piece it's there and then

1359
00:58:07,349 --> 00:58:05,839
our brain gets put together three pounds

1360
00:58:10,630 --> 00:58:07,359
of gray goo

1361
00:58:14,549 --> 00:58:10,640
and consciousness is is uh

1362
00:58:16,549 --> 00:58:14,559
accumulated therefore there could be

1363
00:58:18,230 --> 00:58:16,559
a certain amount of consciousness in a

1364
00:58:20,829 --> 00:58:18,240
rock or in a tree or

1365
00:58:22,789 --> 00:58:20,839
an inanimate object something that isn't

1366
00:58:24,950 --> 00:58:22,799
sentient hence

1367
00:58:26,789 --> 00:58:24,960
the computer and that's where that

1368
00:58:29,109 --> 00:58:26,799
conversation comes in

1369
00:58:30,150 --> 00:58:29,119
that there is a possibility that when

1370
00:58:33,109 --> 00:58:30,160
you develop an

1371
00:58:34,870 --> 00:58:33,119
agi computer with enough thought and

1372
00:58:36,309 --> 00:58:34,880
enough processing power and enough

1373
00:58:39,589 --> 00:58:36,319
circuitry in it

1374
00:58:42,710 --> 00:58:39,599
that it will be conscious uh

1375
00:58:45,589 --> 00:58:42,720
conscious and that is something that

1376
00:58:45,910 --> 00:58:45,599
is is baffling physics physicists but

1377
00:58:50,549 --> 00:58:45,920
and

1378
00:58:53,589 --> 00:58:50,559
they have to accept

1379
00:58:55,510 --> 00:58:53,599
there have been entire talks on

1380
00:58:57,750 --> 00:58:55,520
how do you actually measure

1381
00:59:00,710 --> 00:58:57,760
consciousness and specifically

1382
00:59:01,750 --> 00:59:00,720
uh being that we don't know exactly how

1383
00:59:03,670 --> 00:59:01,760
can you prove to me

1384
00:59:05,829 --> 00:59:03,680
that rocks don't have consciousness

1385
00:59:07,750 --> 00:59:05,839
right and uh the answer is no you cannot

1386
00:59:09,190 --> 00:59:07,760
prove that because uh you still can't

1387
00:59:10,950 --> 00:59:09,200
define it in a way that

1388
00:59:13,349 --> 00:59:10,960
anyone will agree on yeah that's right

1389
00:59:15,430 --> 00:59:13,359
so yeah it's it's a tough one and it's a

1390
00:59:17,349 --> 00:59:15,440
much bigger conversation to be had

1391
00:59:18,710 --> 00:59:17,359
um but it's it's a hard one because

1392
00:59:19,910 --> 00:59:18,720
people don't like being pinned into a

1393
00:59:21,990 --> 00:59:19,920
corner where they can't

1394
00:59:23,270 --> 00:59:22,000
honestly state a hard fact that they

1395
00:59:24,870 --> 00:59:23,280
know is true

1396
00:59:26,549 --> 00:59:24,880
and uh with consciousness it's really

1397
00:59:29,589 --> 00:59:26,559
hard to state any of those

1398
00:59:31,990 --> 00:59:29,599
well you just can't and the thing is

1399
00:59:32,870 --> 00:59:32,000
is that even when you have the most

1400
00:59:38,470 --> 00:59:32,880
black and white

1401
00:59:44,230 --> 00:59:42,549
physicist they know that it's real

1402
00:59:46,470 --> 00:59:44,240
they know the words are coming out of

1403
00:59:48,630 --> 00:59:46,480
their mouth they know that they can

1404
00:59:49,910 --> 00:59:48,640
question the algorithms that they are

1405
00:59:52,789 --> 00:59:49,920
writing out right

1406
00:59:53,990 --> 00:59:52,799
these equations and explain them that's

1407
00:59:56,549 --> 00:59:54,000
consciousness

1408
00:59:58,470 --> 00:59:56,559
so you can't say that it doesn't exist

1409
00:59:59,589 --> 00:59:58,480
but yet they want to remain in a black

1410
01:00:01,750 --> 00:59:59,599
and white world

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and then they are forced into trying to

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explain

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why they think right right exactly but

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you know explaining exactly what

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consciousness is it's very amorphous

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it's a very fluid thing right it's

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is it is it specifically how much of

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each part of your brain

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is in control and how they interact with

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each other some people believe that so

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people who

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you know use much more of say their

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frontal cortex you know in in their

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processing of things

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uh have a slightly different version of

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what you know that might be or

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is it down to how many neurons you were

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able to create before uh your body kind

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of stopped creating them in mass

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um and how they are interacting with

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each other and how well

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uh their electrical charges are moving

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between each other and you know all the

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other things that

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we still don't even like fully

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01:00:48,549 --> 01:00:47,599
understand how neurons work like the

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neuroscience field

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01:00:52,710 --> 01:00:50,480
that is looking at that with scientists

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01:00:54,710 --> 01:00:52,720
still are releasing new papers

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01:00:57,030 --> 01:00:54,720
every year with slightly better

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01:00:57,990 --> 01:00:57,040
definitions of what exactly a neuron

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01:00:59,109 --> 01:00:58,000
really is

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01:01:01,750 --> 01:00:59,119
why they're there and how they

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01:01:03,670 --> 01:01:01,760
communicate with each other and um

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01:01:05,430 --> 01:01:03,680
you know that that's uh being fed into

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01:01:08,630 --> 01:01:05,440
all the people trying to build

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01:01:11,190 --> 01:01:08,640
uh brain emulating computers yes and

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01:01:12,950 --> 01:01:11,200
uh that's a big part of the ai move it

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01:01:14,309 --> 01:01:12,960
is let's take our break right here our

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guest tonight the one and only greg

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house

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we're talking about tonight artificial

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01:01:20,390 --> 01:01:18,559
intelligence

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01:01:22,069 --> 01:01:20,400
and the singularity it's gonna be a

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great conversation stay right there

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it's a great start follow me on twitter

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tonight greg house is here we're talking

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about artificial intelligence and the

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singularity

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what it

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may or may not be let's let's move on to

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a couple of points that we brought up

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earlier

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01:07:18,470 --> 01:07:15,200
uh greg if if you will and that is

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01:07:20,549 --> 01:07:18,480
nick bostrom and he is one of the most

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01:07:23,670 --> 01:07:20,559
quoted guys out there

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01:07:27,190 --> 01:07:23,680
and sam harris will constantly

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go back and use that line from nick

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bostrom

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uh i'm not even going to paraphrase but

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it has to do with

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uh once agi

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01:07:41,270 --> 01:07:39,119
is achieved then these computers

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01:07:42,710 --> 01:07:41,280
not one but now you'll have a bank of

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01:07:46,069 --> 01:07:42,720
them will be

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01:07:49,109 --> 01:07:46,079
thinking at the speed of light and

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01:07:52,309 --> 01:07:49,119
they will do the work of

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10 000 years of thinking by a hundred

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01:07:56,309 --> 01:07:53,599
scientists

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01:07:58,710 --> 01:07:56,319
in 24 hours right and it's like this

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01:08:01,750 --> 01:07:58,720
thing and it's a pretty scary statement

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01:08:05,430 --> 01:08:01,760
when you go and read nick's book

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01:08:08,230 --> 01:08:05,440
um that section of the book the book is

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01:08:09,109 --> 01:08:08,240
is not about that entirely in fact it's

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only about five

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01:08:15,190 --> 01:08:12,160
sentences in the book but it is

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01:08:18,229 --> 01:08:15,200
constantly quoted out there

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um is that do you see that as being a

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possibility

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that once agi is achieved that

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that country is the winner everybody

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else in the world loses

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and and the great race is over

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01:08:36,390 --> 01:08:34,080
uh no um ai is being built

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01:08:38,470 --> 01:08:36,400
uh kind of independently by so many

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01:08:41,910 --> 01:08:38,480
countries that sure one's going to be

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01:08:45,749 --> 01:08:41,920
first but the science behind it is

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01:08:48,470 --> 01:08:45,759
so open at this point that i just

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the it's too hard for any one small

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01:08:51,590 --> 01:08:49,679
group of people to

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01:08:52,789 --> 01:08:51,600
come up with you know those final pieces

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01:08:54,550 --> 01:08:52,799
it's gonna take

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01:08:56,229 --> 01:08:54,560
a lot of people working together and

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01:08:57,590 --> 01:08:56,239
that's across borders

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01:08:59,269 --> 01:08:57,600
and so i don't think it's gonna be

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confined to one country

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01:09:03,349 --> 01:09:01,759
um in terms of the speed at which it

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01:09:06,229 --> 01:09:03,359
goes i mean you have to remember

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01:09:07,910 --> 01:09:06,239
that we have like you know the top 500

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01:09:09,590 --> 01:09:07,920
list of super computers right you know

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01:09:11,910 --> 01:09:09,600
we we have computers that are only

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01:09:13,110 --> 01:09:11,920
so powerful so that step that ray

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01:09:14,709 --> 01:09:13,120
kurzweil talks about

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01:09:16,550 --> 01:09:14,719
in a couple of his write-ups and sam

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01:09:18,070 --> 01:09:16,560
harris mentions in a couple of his too

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01:09:20,550 --> 01:09:18,080
where the computer is going to have to

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teach us how to build faster computers

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01:09:24,070 --> 01:09:21,920
and then soon it's going to be building

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01:09:25,990 --> 01:09:24,080
its own faster computers that step is

1648
01:09:28,709 --> 01:09:26,000
still necessary before we get to where

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01:09:30,149 --> 01:09:28,719
nick is talking about um you know when i

1650
01:09:32,789 --> 01:09:30,159
think about nick's stuff you know

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01:09:33,269 --> 01:09:32,799
i don't go too heavy on that because i

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01:09:37,430 --> 01:09:33,279
think

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01:09:39,430 --> 01:09:37,440
about the ethical side of you know

1654
01:09:40,709 --> 01:09:39,440
not only how to deal with the with the

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01:09:43,349 --> 01:09:40,719
ais but

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01:09:43,749 --> 01:09:43,359
whether it's ethical to even finish this

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01:09:45,910 --> 01:09:43,759
work

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01:09:47,749 --> 01:09:45,920
and turn it on in the first place he's

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01:09:49,349 --> 01:09:47,759
got a lot of writing on that and there's

1660
01:09:52,229 --> 01:09:49,359
some really cool stuff there

1661
01:09:54,470 --> 01:09:52,239
is it uh when we're talking about the

1662
01:09:57,510 --> 01:09:54,480
development look we have uh

1663
01:10:00,550 --> 01:09:57,520
uh switzerland and the brain project

1664
01:10:03,189 --> 01:10:00,560
uh we have china and the branatom

1665
01:10:04,229 --> 01:10:03,199
uh project the uk is working on theirs

1666
01:10:06,470 --> 01:10:04,239
and of course

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01:10:07,669 --> 01:10:06,480
we have the united states and ibm and

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01:10:11,270 --> 01:10:07,679
and google

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01:10:14,550 --> 01:10:11,280
and and others uh not counting darpa and

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01:10:15,430 --> 01:10:14,560
the other uh things that are uh pushing

1671
01:10:18,470 --> 01:10:15,440
forward

1672
01:10:19,830 --> 01:10:18,480
with this as fast as they can but all of

1673
01:10:23,350 --> 01:10:19,840
these projects

1674
01:10:26,390 --> 01:10:23,360
have fallen short the ai part of it is

1675
01:10:29,030 --> 01:10:26,400
fun and it's getting better but it's

1676
01:10:30,550 --> 01:10:29,040
not artificial intelligence by any

1677
01:10:33,270 --> 01:10:30,560
stretch is it

1678
01:10:34,229 --> 01:10:33,280
no and i mean there are a lot of people

1679
01:10:37,510 --> 01:10:34,239
even you know

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01:10:38,470 --> 01:10:37,520
deep in that field um that still believe

1681
01:10:41,910 --> 01:10:38,480
we're

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01:10:43,350 --> 01:10:41,920
at a minimum from the first glimpses

1683
01:10:45,669 --> 01:10:43,360
of anything that could even be

1684
01:10:48,630 --> 01:10:45,679
considered ai for real we're

1685
01:10:50,070 --> 01:10:48,640
a decade away and a lot of the more

1686
01:10:52,630 --> 01:10:50,080
respected people in the field

1687
01:10:53,910 --> 01:10:52,640
uh you know even upwards of a year ago

1688
01:10:56,390 --> 01:10:53,920
we're still saying we're

1689
01:10:57,350 --> 01:10:56,400
30 to 50 years away from agi

1690
01:11:00,390 --> 01:10:57,360
specifically

1691
01:11:04,310 --> 01:11:00,400
um we'll have a lot of stuff that looks

1692
01:11:06,790 --> 01:11:04,320
like agi but isn't honestly agi you know

1693
01:11:08,709 --> 01:11:06,800
you can make little robots that uh

1694
01:11:10,310 --> 01:11:08,719
answer questions siri can definitely

1695
01:11:11,990 --> 01:11:10,320
hold a conversation better

1696
01:11:13,669 --> 01:11:12,000
than anything could have 20 years ago

1697
01:11:16,310 --> 01:11:13,679
right but it's not

1698
01:11:17,430 --> 01:11:16,320
intelligent in any way it is trained on

1699
01:11:20,950 --> 01:11:17,440
models

1700
01:11:23,590 --> 01:11:20,960
uh so i i'm of the mind that we're still

1701
01:11:24,630 --> 01:11:23,600
at least 10 to 15 years away from seeing

1702
01:11:26,870 --> 01:11:24,640
something that's

1703
01:11:28,390 --> 01:11:26,880
that's truly uh the the beginnings of

1704
01:11:31,910 --> 01:11:28,400
real ai

1705
01:11:35,590 --> 01:11:31,920
the uh the other part of this

1706
01:11:38,470 --> 01:11:35,600
is that when we look at uh

1707
01:11:41,189 --> 01:11:38,480
europe's brain project specifically

1708
01:11:44,550 --> 01:11:41,199
there is a guarantee

1709
01:11:47,830 --> 01:11:44,560
that uh a.i

1710
01:11:51,030 --> 01:11:47,840
was going to do a ted

1711
01:11:54,709 --> 01:11:51,040
talk right yeah right and

1712
01:11:58,070 --> 01:11:54,719
it was supposed to be done by 2017. um

1713
01:12:01,350 --> 01:11:58,080
and that and the goal of the brain

1714
01:12:04,550 --> 01:12:01,360
project is to have every

1715
01:12:05,669 --> 01:12:04,560
neuron in the human brain mapped on a

1716
01:12:09,590 --> 01:12:05,679
computer

1717
01:12:13,830 --> 01:12:09,600
now that's that's getting pretty heavy

1718
01:12:15,350 --> 01:12:13,840
and they they got 1.6 billion dollars i

1719
01:12:16,470 --> 01:12:15,360
think is is what they got for the

1720
01:12:19,590 --> 01:12:16,480
project

1721
01:12:20,630 --> 01:12:19,600
uh a huge bank of scientists a nice

1722
01:12:22,630 --> 01:12:20,640
building

1723
01:12:24,149 --> 01:12:22,640
uh there in switzerland and they moved

1724
01:12:26,630 --> 01:12:24,159
forward on the project

1725
01:12:28,630 --> 01:12:26,640
and uh eventually everybody threw up

1726
01:12:31,430 --> 01:12:28,640
their hands going you know what this

1727
01:12:32,870 --> 01:12:31,440
these are impossible goals this this

1728
01:12:35,110 --> 01:12:32,880
just can't happen

1729
01:12:36,229 --> 01:12:35,120
well now i will say that if you read

1730
01:12:37,590 --> 01:12:36,239
some of the kind of the

1731
01:12:39,510 --> 01:12:37,600
the people who have left the project

1732
01:12:41,350 --> 01:12:39,520
they've all written their own

1733
01:12:43,189 --> 01:12:41,360
idea of a postmortem none of them have

1734
01:12:43,830 --> 01:12:43,199
said it's impossible what they've said

1735
01:12:46,070 --> 01:12:43,840
is

1736
01:12:49,030 --> 01:12:46,080
uh we we need another like 10 years of

1737
01:12:52,149 --> 01:12:49,040
speed increases and storage increases

1738
01:12:54,149 --> 01:12:52,159
uh before we're anywhere near the uh the

1739
01:12:54,550 --> 01:12:54,159
level needed to do this uh the science

1740
01:12:56,709 --> 01:12:54,560
and the

1741
01:12:58,310 --> 01:12:56,719
technology isn't there yet but that's

1742
01:12:59,189 --> 01:12:58,320
why projects like them are important i

1743
01:13:02,149 --> 01:12:59,199
mean

1744
01:13:02,790 --> 01:13:02,159
when you look at what agi will give us

1745
01:13:04,630 --> 01:13:02,800
if

1746
01:13:06,790 --> 01:13:04,640
done right again and not the scary

1747
01:13:08,550 --> 01:13:06,800
version where we become pets or food

1748
01:13:10,550 --> 01:13:08,560
but the kind that decides that it wants

1749
01:13:12,709 --> 01:13:10,560
to help us out and be our friend uh

1750
01:13:15,030 --> 01:13:12,719
if we get that version of it then you

1751
01:13:16,070 --> 01:13:15,040
can imagine cures for many diseases you

1752
01:13:18,950 --> 01:13:16,080
can imagine

1753
01:13:21,189 --> 01:13:18,960
you know better uh better resource usage

1754
01:13:22,470 --> 01:13:21,199
and uh just all kinds of optimizations

1755
01:13:23,590 --> 01:13:22,480
around how we live

1756
01:13:25,189 --> 01:13:23,600
and depending on if you're a

1757
01:13:26,950 --> 01:13:25,199
transhumanist or not then you can also

1758
01:13:27,750 --> 01:13:26,960
imagine tons of upgrades to the human

1759
01:13:29,590 --> 01:13:27,760
body

1760
01:13:31,110 --> 01:13:29,600
uh but that's all up to you whether you

1761
01:13:32,070 --> 01:13:31,120
actually want to do that to yourself of

1762
01:13:35,189 --> 01:13:32,080
course

1763
01:13:37,030 --> 01:13:35,199
um you know so i don't know i

1764
01:13:38,790 --> 01:13:37,040
i don't think the brain uh the brain

1765
01:13:40,149 --> 01:13:38,800
project uh that they're doing there is

1766
01:13:42,390 --> 01:13:40,159
is any kind of a failure

1767
01:13:43,990 --> 01:13:42,400
no i think it's just the next move yeah

1768
01:13:46,390 --> 01:13:44,000
well obviously

1769
01:13:47,669 --> 01:13:46,400
uh it's a great project what the

1770
01:13:50,790 --> 01:13:47,679
scientists said

1771
01:13:54,229 --> 01:13:50,800
i think 800 signed the letter right

1772
01:13:57,350 --> 01:13:54,239
to the eu saying that the goals

1773
01:14:00,870 --> 01:13:57,360
were impossible the goals right

1774
01:14:03,590 --> 01:14:00,880
everything that was out that's that they

1775
01:14:05,430 --> 01:14:03,600
they they were impossible to meet and

1776
01:14:06,950 --> 01:14:05,440
they needed to go back and revisit it

1777
01:14:07,590 --> 01:14:06,960
let's get a new set of goals and keep

1778
01:14:10,470 --> 01:14:07,600
this going

1779
01:14:12,470 --> 01:14:10,480
the project is still there right yeah

1780
01:14:13,189 --> 01:14:12,480
beautiful building the rolex building

1781
01:14:15,030 --> 01:14:13,199
that's like

1782
01:14:16,709 --> 01:14:15,040
the big problem is that you know the way

1783
01:14:19,430 --> 01:14:16,719
they worded their initial goals

1784
01:14:21,910 --> 01:14:19,440
was uh a little too strict you know the

1785
01:14:24,709 --> 01:14:21,920
idea of mapping the neurons i mean

1786
01:14:25,750 --> 01:14:24,719
i would have loved a first version of

1787
01:14:29,430 --> 01:14:25,760
the product

1788
01:14:32,229 --> 01:14:29,440
to actually um explain how neurons work

1789
01:14:34,149 --> 01:14:32,239
um you know i mean again if you again if

1790
01:14:36,070 --> 01:14:34,159
you talk to the major scientists in the

1791
01:14:38,149 --> 01:14:36,080
space including ones that work there

1792
01:14:39,750 --> 01:14:38,159
and uh i've had the privilege of hearing

1793
01:14:43,750 --> 01:14:39,760
talks by many of them

1794
01:14:45,669 --> 01:14:43,760
um the um the the deep understanding of

1795
01:14:48,390 --> 01:14:45,679
exactly how a neuron

1796
01:14:50,310 --> 01:14:48,400
works for us uh in groups and pairs how

1797
01:14:52,149 --> 01:14:50,320
the complex calculations actually happen

1798
01:14:54,550 --> 01:14:52,159
between them when they're firing

1799
01:14:56,310 --> 01:14:54,560
why the electrical signals go from this

1800
01:14:57,750 --> 01:14:56,320
one to that one and not down the other

1801
01:14:59,830 --> 01:14:57,760
path

1802
01:15:00,870 --> 01:14:59,840
they still don't have all of that mapped

1803
01:15:02,709 --> 01:15:00,880
out so

1804
01:15:05,110 --> 01:15:02,719
instead of saying the project's going to

1805
01:15:07,270 --> 01:15:05,120
deliver on this grandiose

1806
01:15:09,270 --> 01:15:07,280
bigger idea of say being able to

1807
01:15:11,669 --> 01:15:09,280
generate some kind of a talk

1808
01:15:13,189 --> 01:15:11,679
uh let's say that the first version of

1809
01:15:16,149 --> 01:15:13,199
an output from this project

1810
01:15:16,550 --> 01:15:16,159
is we've built enough artificial neurons

1811
01:15:19,669 --> 01:15:16,560
and

1812
01:15:22,550 --> 01:15:19,679
figured out

1813
01:15:24,229 --> 01:15:22,560
why neurons do what they do that would

1814
01:15:25,590 --> 01:15:24,239
have been a great first step and i think

1815
01:15:27,590 --> 01:15:25,600
they reached a little too far

1816
01:15:29,030 --> 01:15:27,600
early and now they're kind of resetting

1817
01:15:31,030 --> 01:15:29,040
back to build a

1818
01:15:33,189 --> 01:15:31,040
a layer of milestones if you will like

1819
01:15:33,669 --> 01:15:33,199
you know a road map to get to that final

1820
01:15:35,590 --> 01:15:33,679
step

1821
01:15:37,510 --> 01:15:35,600
yeah you're right about that uh i've

1822
01:15:40,630 --> 01:15:37,520
been uh reporting on this

1823
01:15:42,630 --> 01:15:40,640
and studying it very very closely uh

1824
01:15:46,390 --> 01:15:42,640
it's a very interesting project

1825
01:15:49,990 --> 01:15:46,400
now what i have uh thought

1826
01:15:53,990 --> 01:15:50,000
i've said this many times but

1827
01:15:55,830 --> 01:15:54,000
do you think that those out there

1828
01:15:57,669 --> 01:15:55,840
that are working on these projects and

1829
01:15:59,750 --> 01:15:57,679
every country is in the game japan's in

1830
01:16:02,149 --> 01:15:59,760
the game canada is in the game

1831
01:16:03,830 --> 01:16:02,159
uh australia's in the game united states

1832
01:16:07,030 --> 01:16:03,840
of course the united kingdom russia

1833
01:16:09,270 --> 01:16:07,040
china they're all in israel

1834
01:16:10,390 --> 01:16:09,280
right they're all in the game right now

1835
01:16:12,709 --> 01:16:10,400
uh trying to

1836
01:16:14,470 --> 01:16:12,719
uh create a human brain and achieve

1837
01:16:17,189 --> 01:16:14,480
artificial intelligence

1838
01:16:18,950 --> 01:16:17,199
but do you think that they have uh

1839
01:16:22,950 --> 01:16:18,960
gotten ahead of their skis

1840
01:16:25,430 --> 01:16:22,960
in in the ideas of what the code may be

1841
01:16:25,990 --> 01:16:25,440
should they pull it back and maybe think

1842
01:16:29,590 --> 01:16:26,000
about

1843
01:16:32,870 --> 01:16:29,600
very very very simple code

1844
01:16:33,590 --> 01:16:32,880
and allow that very simple code to grow

1845
01:16:36,709 --> 01:16:33,600
and develop

1846
01:16:38,310 --> 01:16:36,719
like a child does so

1847
01:16:40,470 --> 01:16:38,320
you know this is a really interesting

1848
01:16:40,790 --> 01:16:40,480
part of the conversation here because i

1849
01:16:42,709 --> 01:16:40,800
do

1850
01:16:44,550 --> 01:16:42,719
think uh that the building blocks need

1851
01:16:48,070 --> 01:16:44,560
to start earlier like that uh

1852
01:16:50,950 --> 01:16:48,080
one when you think about our version of

1853
01:16:52,630 --> 01:16:50,960
intelligence and and how we form it and

1854
01:16:55,270 --> 01:16:52,640
going back to even your earlier comments

1855
01:16:57,350 --> 01:16:55,280
about the emotional ties to things like

1856
01:16:58,709 --> 01:16:57,360
why you chose the blue car right you

1857
01:17:02,070 --> 01:16:58,719
know all of that is

1858
01:17:04,070 --> 01:17:02,080
is is early uh early formations

1859
01:17:05,510 --> 01:17:04,080
uh based on the way that that children

1860
01:17:07,270 --> 01:17:05,520
learn so

1861
01:17:09,030 --> 01:17:07,280
you know it's it's nature nurture it's

1862
01:17:09,669 --> 01:17:09,040
all these other arguments that we have

1863
01:17:11,669 --> 01:17:09,679
as is

1864
01:17:13,189 --> 01:17:11,679
as humans and there's people on every

1865
01:17:14,870 --> 01:17:13,199
side of it right you know

1866
01:17:16,390 --> 01:17:14,880
do you spank your child or not you know

1867
01:17:17,750 --> 01:17:16,400
there's there's a thousand arguments to

1868
01:17:20,470 --> 01:17:17,760
talk about right

1869
01:17:22,229 --> 01:17:20,480
and ai i personally think if we're going

1870
01:17:23,830 --> 01:17:22,239
to have an agi that actually is

1871
01:17:26,950 --> 01:17:23,840
beneficial to us

1872
01:17:29,270 --> 01:17:26,960
it almost needs to grow up um it needs

1873
01:17:31,510 --> 01:17:29,280
to go through those initial stages

1874
01:17:32,470 --> 01:17:31,520
in that initial data set that builds out

1875
01:17:35,030 --> 01:17:32,480
whatever it's

1876
01:17:36,470 --> 01:17:35,040
let's call it conscious uh for lack of a

1877
01:17:39,830 --> 01:17:36,480
better term right now

1878
01:17:41,350 --> 01:17:39,840
happens to turn out to be um you know

1879
01:17:43,030 --> 01:17:41,360
my wife does this this funny thing

1880
01:17:45,270 --> 01:17:43,040
whenever we're talking about this type

1881
01:17:47,350 --> 01:17:45,280
stuff with people is she reminds them to

1882
01:17:47,750 --> 01:17:47,360
hug the next robot they see because you

1883
01:17:48,950 --> 01:17:47,760
know

1884
01:17:51,030 --> 01:17:48,960
we want to make sure that all these

1885
01:17:52,390 --> 01:17:51,040
robots as as they start to become bigger

1886
01:17:55,110 --> 01:17:52,400
and better things uh

1887
01:17:55,669 --> 01:17:55,120
remember that we're nice to them you're

1888
01:17:57,270 --> 01:17:55,679
okay

1889
01:17:59,669 --> 01:17:57,280
now listen that goes back to

1890
01:18:01,350 --> 01:17:59,679
consciousness too as well let's not

1891
01:18:04,390 --> 01:18:01,360
forget about that

1892
01:18:07,590 --> 01:18:04,400
how much consciousness is there

1893
01:18:10,790 --> 01:18:07,600
you know what if you um if you're

1894
01:18:14,149 --> 01:18:10,800
if you're mean to your car right

1895
01:18:15,669 --> 01:18:14,159
and you talk smack and then you go out

1896
01:18:17,669 --> 01:18:15,679
and you're late for work and your car

1897
01:18:19,189 --> 01:18:17,679
doesn't start well you need to think

1898
01:18:22,630 --> 01:18:19,199
about why

1899
01:18:24,630 --> 01:18:22,640
right and that big there is something

1900
01:18:28,229 --> 01:18:24,640
about be nice to your car

1901
01:18:31,189 --> 01:18:28,239
wash it talk to it you know it

1902
01:18:31,910 --> 01:18:31,199
it it'll always start there's something

1903
01:18:34,229 --> 01:18:31,920
how about that

1904
01:18:36,630 --> 01:18:34,239
yeah you know what i'm saying but i'm

1905
01:18:38,950 --> 01:18:36,640
there with you on the general idea

1906
01:18:40,390 --> 01:18:38,960
you know what i'm saying yeah yeah i do

1907
01:18:43,669 --> 01:18:40,400
i do i know uh

1908
01:18:46,709 --> 01:18:43,679
plants and and just things

1909
01:18:50,070 --> 01:18:46,719
it makes you wonder you know how

1910
01:18:53,189 --> 01:18:50,080
aware is your smart home you know

1911
01:18:53,990 --> 01:18:53,199
how aware uh are these things that are

1912
01:18:57,270 --> 01:18:54,000
around you now

1913
01:19:00,790 --> 01:18:57,280
where the the the possibility of

1914
01:19:01,510 --> 01:19:00,800
uh life and and sentient is the right

1915
01:19:04,229 --> 01:19:01,520
word

1916
01:19:05,189 --> 01:19:04,239
how much of it what percentage of it may

1917
01:19:07,430 --> 01:19:05,199
be there

1918
01:19:08,709 --> 01:19:07,440
because that's just the way the universe

1919
01:19:11,750 --> 01:19:08,719
works

1920
01:19:13,510 --> 01:19:11,760
sure and that that comes down to um what

1921
01:19:13,910 --> 01:19:13,520
you believe sentience really is and what

1922
01:19:15,270 --> 01:19:13,920
it means

1923
01:19:17,270 --> 01:19:15,280
what consciousness really is and we're

1924
01:19:18,709 --> 01:19:17,280
still we're still putting our

1925
01:19:20,470 --> 01:19:18,719
our fingers on that one we're still

1926
01:19:21,750 --> 01:19:20,480
getting closer and closer to it but

1927
01:19:23,910 --> 01:19:21,760
don't i think

1928
01:19:25,590 --> 01:19:23,920
have it totally figured out i mean again

1929
01:19:26,790 --> 01:19:25,600
with everything down to even our neurons

1930
01:19:28,310 --> 01:19:26,800
we still don't know exactly how they

1931
01:19:30,390 --> 01:19:28,320
work we don't have

1932
01:19:32,070 --> 01:19:30,400
real good uh we have rough uh

1933
01:19:32,550 --> 01:19:32,080
definitions of half of these things but

1934
01:19:34,310 --> 01:19:32,560
you know

1935
01:19:35,830 --> 01:19:34,320
that's the best part about science is

1936
01:19:37,030 --> 01:19:35,840
you get to keep learning it keeps

1937
01:19:38,470 --> 01:19:37,040
changing it keeps getting better it

1938
01:19:40,470 --> 01:19:38,480
keeps getting stronger i i

1939
01:19:42,149 --> 01:19:40,480
it's one of the things that makes me

1940
01:19:43,910 --> 01:19:42,159
always keep up with it you know no

1941
01:19:45,750 --> 01:19:43,920
matter what i think i know tomorrow it

1942
01:19:47,830 --> 01:19:45,760
might be slightly improved

1943
01:19:48,950 --> 01:19:47,840
and and i love that i just love that

1944
01:19:51,669 --> 01:19:48,960
stuff but you know

1945
01:19:52,950 --> 01:19:51,679
we were talking about the the childlike

1946
01:19:55,590 --> 01:19:52,960
nature of

1947
01:19:57,590 --> 01:19:55,600
how i think early agis should really go

1948
01:19:58,709 --> 01:19:57,600
and i i think it's just

1949
01:20:00,870 --> 01:19:58,719
you know when you look at how a child

1950
01:20:02,229 --> 01:20:00,880
learns at a young age what they consume

1951
01:20:05,030 --> 01:20:02,239
how they consume it

1952
01:20:07,830 --> 01:20:05,040
and even how they integrate with the

1953
01:20:09,430 --> 01:20:07,840
community around them who they choose to

1954
01:20:11,110 --> 01:20:09,440
start you know associating you know you

1955
01:20:12,470 --> 01:20:11,120
always see those kids that you know even

1956
01:20:14,629 --> 01:20:12,480
if both parents are great to them for

1957
01:20:17,110 --> 01:20:14,639
some reason it's just a mama's boy or

1958
01:20:18,790 --> 01:20:17,120
it's a daddy's girl or you know any of

1959
01:20:20,390 --> 01:20:18,800
you know as you grow

1960
01:20:22,070 --> 01:20:20,400
all of these things start to just come

1961
01:20:23,990 --> 01:20:22,080
out about your personality

1962
01:20:25,910 --> 01:20:24,000
based on your interactions with the

1963
01:20:29,189 --> 01:20:25,920
world and if we're just gonna

1964
01:20:30,229 --> 01:20:29,199
suddenly plop an adult agi on the world

1965
01:20:31,830 --> 01:20:30,239
like

1966
01:20:33,510 --> 01:20:31,840
if we're expecting it to actually have

1967
01:20:35,350 --> 01:20:33,520
consciousness and anything that we would

1968
01:20:37,110 --> 01:20:35,360
understand is consciousness and not

1969
01:20:39,590 --> 01:20:37,120
some new thing that we're not going to

1970
01:20:41,030 --> 01:20:39,600
recognize um then it needs to go through

1971
01:20:44,629 --> 01:20:41,040
those types of experiences

1972
01:20:46,870 --> 01:20:44,639
and um so i do think there there's some

1973
01:20:48,550 --> 01:20:46,880
way that you know the early ai work

1974
01:20:50,709 --> 01:20:48,560
needs to happen where

1975
01:20:52,470 --> 01:20:50,719
it's building out something that slowly

1976
01:20:55,189 --> 01:20:52,480
through goal and achievement

1977
01:20:57,750 --> 01:20:55,199
starts to build up its early personality

1978
01:20:59,830 --> 01:20:57,760
and understanding and in that building

1979
01:21:01,830 --> 01:20:59,840
it can be nurtured it can be coddled it

1980
01:21:03,030 --> 01:21:01,840
can be you know treated like a loved

1981
01:21:04,709 --> 01:21:03,040
child and um

1982
01:21:06,470 --> 01:21:04,719
i think that will go a long way to

1983
01:21:08,629 --> 01:21:06,480
making a much more

1984
01:21:09,990 --> 01:21:08,639
uh i don't know conductive kind of

1985
01:21:13,830 --> 01:21:10,000
relationship between us

1986
01:21:14,470 --> 01:21:13,840
and them is it uh are the foundations

1987
01:21:17,270 --> 01:21:14,480
with

1988
01:21:19,430 --> 01:21:17,280
machine learning right a lot of it

1989
01:21:21,110 --> 01:21:19,440
starts there

1990
01:21:22,870 --> 01:21:21,120
you you have to have something to get

1991
01:21:23,990 --> 01:21:22,880
the initial thing off the ground right

1992
01:21:26,550 --> 01:21:24,000
so we had to

1993
01:21:27,270 --> 01:21:26,560
we had to have a way to model lots of

1994
01:21:30,790 --> 01:21:27,280
data

1995
01:21:33,189 --> 01:21:30,800
in in in huge functions and

1996
01:21:34,070 --> 01:21:33,199
giant systems and machine learning was

1997
01:21:37,189 --> 01:21:34,080
really our our

1998
01:21:39,110 --> 01:21:37,199
first way to deal with that that wasn't

1999
01:21:40,629 --> 01:21:39,120
just relational like old school

2000
01:21:42,870 --> 01:21:40,639
databases right

2001
01:21:43,990 --> 01:21:42,880
and uh so it is definitely the early

2002
01:21:45,430 --> 01:21:44,000
foundations

2003
01:21:46,550 --> 01:21:45,440
but uh you know machine learning is a

2004
01:21:47,510 --> 01:21:46,560
term that a lot of people are just

2005
01:21:49,110 --> 01:21:47,520
hearing now

2006
01:21:50,870 --> 01:21:49,120
it's been a data science term that's

2007
01:21:53,350 --> 01:21:50,880
been used in technology for

2008
01:21:53,910 --> 01:21:53,360
i mean two decades yes long it's just

2009
01:21:56,070 --> 01:21:53,920
sure

2010
01:21:57,750 --> 01:21:56,080
yeah but it's just well i mean in in

2011
01:21:58,950 --> 01:21:57,760
terminology that you could like i could

2012
01:22:01,350 --> 01:21:58,960
actually access

2013
01:22:02,629 --> 01:22:01,360
uh it was in you know in colleges and in

2014
01:22:04,070 --> 01:22:02,639
you know scientific laboratories and

2015
01:22:05,590 --> 01:22:04,080
whatnot before that

2016
01:22:07,350 --> 01:22:05,600
but um it's just now to a point where

2017
01:22:08,870 --> 01:22:07,360
anyone can hop online and you can go to

2018
01:22:11,189 --> 01:22:08,880
google and if you want sign up for their

2019
01:22:12,629 --> 01:22:11,199
cloud platform and load up a machine

2020
01:22:14,149 --> 01:22:12,639
learning instance and start playing with

2021
01:22:17,350 --> 01:22:14,159
it you know

2022
01:22:18,310 --> 01:22:17,360
well okay and and it makes me think

2023
01:22:21,750 --> 01:22:18,320
about

2024
01:22:24,790 --> 01:22:21,760
the simplicity of the the go

2025
01:22:27,110 --> 01:22:24,800
system over in south korea

2026
01:22:28,870 --> 01:22:27,120
a few years ago which is still one of

2027
01:22:31,189 --> 01:22:28,880
the best documentaries i've seen on

2028
01:22:32,149 --> 01:22:31,199
artificial intelligence and machine

2029
01:22:34,709 --> 01:22:32,159
learning

2030
01:22:35,669 --> 01:22:34,719
where that system you know to beat the

2031
01:22:37,990 --> 01:22:35,679
world's top

2032
01:22:38,950 --> 01:22:38,000
go player chess is a whole nother thing

2033
01:22:42,070 --> 01:22:38,960
chess is

2034
01:22:44,310 --> 01:22:42,080
simplistic compared to uh go

2035
01:22:45,750 --> 01:22:44,320
i think i heard a statistic i don't know

2036
01:22:48,950 --> 01:22:45,760
how accurate it is

2037
01:22:52,070 --> 01:22:48,960
but it shows you how daunting go is that

2038
01:22:57,270 --> 01:22:52,080
there are more moves in go than there

2039
01:23:00,709 --> 01:22:59,270
i mean this is not a brag because you

2040
01:23:02,629 --> 01:23:00,719
have to listen to all of it but i'm

2041
01:23:05,669 --> 01:23:02,639
actually pretty damn good at chess

2042
01:23:07,669 --> 01:23:05,679
um i couldn't beat the weakest lowest

2043
01:23:08,629 --> 01:23:07,679
rank go player if you gave me a hundred

2044
01:23:11,910 --> 01:23:08,639
years to study

2045
01:23:14,310 --> 01:23:11,920
that's right i i know i am

2046
01:23:15,189 --> 01:23:14,320
horrible at it and i just i look at it

2047
01:23:17,270 --> 01:23:15,199
confused

2048
01:23:18,709 --> 01:23:17,280
and i know the moves i mean like i do

2049
01:23:22,229 --> 01:23:18,719
too

2050
01:23:25,990 --> 01:23:22,239
no no the rules are simple

2051
01:23:29,430 --> 01:23:26,000
i mean no they they there's like three

2052
01:23:32,310 --> 01:23:29,440
like that's it many patterns i guess

2053
01:23:34,149 --> 01:23:32,320
every time oh it's incredible but what

2054
01:23:37,430 --> 01:23:34,159
they ended up doing with that

2055
01:23:39,110 --> 01:23:37,440
system was instead of loading every go

2056
01:23:41,350 --> 01:23:39,120
game in the history of go

2057
01:23:43,430 --> 01:23:41,360
right which is kind of what they did

2058
01:23:45,750 --> 01:23:43,440
with ibm back in the day

2059
01:23:46,629 --> 01:23:45,760
you know every historical chess match

2060
01:23:48,470 --> 01:23:46,639
right okay

2061
01:23:49,750 --> 01:23:48,480
and they tried to do and they backed up

2062
01:23:51,030 --> 01:23:49,760
and went wait a minute let's just go

2063
01:23:53,030 --> 01:23:51,040
with machine learning

2064
01:23:54,070 --> 01:23:53,040
let this thing learn the player that

2065
01:23:57,430 --> 01:23:54,080
it's playing

2066
01:23:59,590 --> 01:23:57,440
and then play against him right

2067
01:24:00,629 --> 01:23:59,600
and suddenly they went with this simple

2068
01:24:03,430 --> 01:24:00,639
code and they

2069
01:24:05,270 --> 01:24:03,440
ended up kicking ass and taking names

2070
01:24:07,590 --> 01:24:05,280
and it shocked everybody

2071
01:24:09,189 --> 01:24:07,600
and again it was the opposite of this

2072
01:24:12,229 --> 01:24:09,199
complex

2073
01:24:13,510 --> 01:24:12,239
huge amounts of data right let's take

2074
01:24:16,870 --> 01:24:13,520
all the data away

2075
01:24:18,550 --> 01:24:16,880
let's teach it the rules and machine

2076
01:24:23,910 --> 01:24:18,560
learning against the other player

2077
01:24:27,270 --> 01:24:25,830
yeah you know i mean it's just like we

2078
01:24:28,870 --> 01:24:27,280
were talking about going back to like

2079
01:24:30,229 --> 01:24:28,880
some more childlike behavior and

2080
01:24:32,790 --> 01:24:30,239
learning uh you know

2081
01:24:34,709 --> 01:24:32,800
break things down to their component

2082
01:24:35,910 --> 01:24:34,719
pieces uh and i think that's where we're

2083
01:24:38,149 --> 01:24:35,920
going to end up

2084
01:24:39,110 --> 01:24:38,159
but it's also just like the the major

2085
01:24:40,229 --> 01:24:39,120
kind of uh

2086
01:24:42,070 --> 01:24:40,239
scientific understanding of

2087
01:24:43,510 --> 01:24:42,080
consciousness at this point you know

2088
01:24:45,030 --> 01:24:43,520
it's it's broken down into smaller

2089
01:24:48,470 --> 01:24:45,040
pieces too it's

2090
01:24:50,070 --> 01:24:48,480
they break it down into how the specific

2091
01:24:51,830 --> 01:24:50,080
pieces of your brain that can be

2092
01:24:53,990 --> 01:24:51,840
considered distinct from each other

2093
01:24:55,030 --> 01:24:54,000
interact with each other that that

2094
01:24:56,870 --> 01:24:55,040
combination

2095
01:24:59,270 --> 01:24:56,880
and of course the chemical balance put

2096
01:24:59,750 --> 01:24:59,280
together is what your consciousness is

2097
01:25:03,590 --> 01:24:59,760
now

2098
01:25:05,430 --> 01:25:03,600
hui to me i mean it's still

2099
01:25:07,030 --> 01:25:05,440
it doesn't actually mean anything right

2100
01:25:08,950 --> 01:25:07,040
it's just a bunch of words but right

2101
01:25:10,709 --> 01:25:08,960
it gives you something to start to think

2102
01:25:13,030 --> 01:25:10,719
about what might be conscious

2103
01:25:14,629 --> 01:25:13,040
but to that end you know you think about

2104
01:25:15,350 --> 01:25:14,639
it like a lot of small parts starting to

2105
01:25:17,510 --> 01:25:15,360
work together

2106
01:25:18,390 --> 01:25:17,520
create the whole and and just like with

2107
01:25:20,790 --> 01:25:18,400
the go thing you know

2108
01:25:22,709 --> 01:25:20,800
it wasn't about learning the uh

2109
01:25:24,629 --> 01:25:22,719
trillions upon trillions upon trillions

2110
01:25:26,629 --> 01:25:24,639
of moves that were possible

2111
01:25:27,669 --> 01:25:26,639
it was about learning the fundamentals

2112
01:25:29,910 --> 01:25:27,679
of the game

2113
01:25:31,110 --> 01:25:29,920
and of the other players which was a far

2114
01:25:33,750 --> 01:25:31,120
easier task

2115
01:25:35,430 --> 01:25:33,760
i remember uh i actually want to stay on

2116
01:25:37,669 --> 01:25:35,440
this to the break

2117
01:25:40,070 --> 01:25:37,679
there was in that documentary i can't

2118
01:25:43,750 --> 01:25:40,080
remember the player's name

2119
01:25:46,870 --> 01:25:43,760
but there was a move at one point

2120
01:25:48,870 --> 01:25:46,880
that the go made

2121
01:25:50,950 --> 01:25:48,880
that was on the other side of the board

2122
01:25:53,910 --> 01:25:50,960
and made no sense

2123
01:25:54,229 --> 01:25:53,920
right and everybody stopped another you

2124
01:25:56,790 --> 01:25:54,239
know

2125
01:25:57,750 --> 01:25:56,800
the broadcasters are like what's this

2126
01:25:59,270 --> 01:25:57,760
all about

2127
01:26:02,229 --> 01:25:59,280
and you watched what's his name the

2128
01:26:03,590 --> 01:26:02,239
world champion just kind of wince

2129
01:26:05,189 --> 01:26:03,600
you remember that he kind of just kind

2130
01:26:06,070 --> 01:26:05,199
of jumped back and he's looking he's

2131
01:26:08,229 --> 01:26:06,080
like now what's

2132
01:26:09,750 --> 01:26:08,239
that all about no one had never ever

2133
01:26:12,950 --> 01:26:09,760
done that move to him before

2134
01:26:17,669 --> 01:26:12,960
and it was and the move made no sense

2135
01:26:20,390 --> 01:26:17,679
it was like two turns later he resigns

2136
01:26:20,870 --> 01:26:20,400
oh yeah he saw it coming that was that

2137
01:26:29,990 --> 01:26:20,880
was

2138
01:26:31,510 --> 01:26:30,000
other successes with uh the go computer

2139
01:26:34,950 --> 01:26:31,520
after that but

2140
01:26:37,350 --> 01:26:34,960
uh it's it's no longer a challenge

2141
01:26:38,070 --> 01:26:37,360
for the go computer and it's it's the

2142
01:26:40,950 --> 01:26:38,080
same thing

2143
01:26:41,830 --> 01:26:40,960
with with chess these days you know i

2144
01:26:45,350 --> 01:26:41,840
i'm not so

2145
01:26:45,990 --> 01:26:45,360
sure that humans want to go up against a

2146
01:26:48,950 --> 01:26:46,000
computer

2147
01:26:49,270 --> 01:26:48,960
it's not you're not going to win and uh

2148
01:26:52,629 --> 01:26:49,280
it's

2149
01:26:54,149 --> 01:26:52,639
tough to beat the computers but uh

2150
01:26:56,390 --> 01:26:54,159
you know chess again it's kind of like

2151
01:26:58,950 --> 01:26:56,400
you know people talk about chess but

2152
01:27:00,709 --> 01:26:58,960
it is a solved game in that there are

2153
01:27:02,830 --> 01:27:00,719
only so many combinations and

2154
01:27:03,990 --> 01:27:02,840
the number isn't you know like go

2155
01:27:07,590 --> 01:27:04,000
astronomical

2156
01:27:09,990 --> 01:27:07,600
so when when you as a human make a move

2157
01:27:11,669 --> 01:27:10,000
there's always the best counter move and

2158
01:27:13,590 --> 01:27:11,679
you can calculate that

2159
01:27:15,030 --> 01:27:13,600
there there's something that i find much

2160
01:27:18,149 --> 01:27:15,040
more interesting these days

2161
01:27:21,430 --> 01:27:18,159
is that there's finally a bot

2162
01:27:25,189 --> 01:27:21,440
that plays uh texas hold'em right

2163
01:27:27,990 --> 01:27:25,199
and wins against serious pros who have

2164
01:27:28,950 --> 01:27:28,000
30 plus years of live playing uh

2165
01:27:30,629 --> 01:27:28,960
experience

2166
01:27:35,669 --> 01:27:30,639
what's that computer called it's called

2167
01:27:39,110 --> 01:27:38,229
yeah is that it i could be wrong yeah

2168
01:27:41,430 --> 01:27:39,120
it's something like that

2169
01:27:42,149 --> 01:27:41,440
but that that that type of machinery

2170
01:27:43,590 --> 01:27:42,159
right there

2171
01:27:45,910 --> 01:27:43,600
is more interesting to me because

2172
01:27:47,030 --> 01:27:45,920
there's a lot more thought that goes

2173
01:27:49,910 --> 01:27:47,040
into it it can't

2174
01:27:52,470 --> 01:27:49,920
just sit there and play to you know i

2175
01:27:53,350 --> 01:27:52,480
only raise here and i only fold here it

2176
01:27:56,149 --> 01:27:53,360
has to be

2177
01:27:56,470 --> 01:27:56,159
able to bluff right and sense bluff is

2178
01:27:58,870 --> 01:27:56,480
run

2179
01:28:00,229 --> 01:27:58,880
sense bluffs right um and that that's

2180
01:28:01,270 --> 01:28:00,239
where you start to get into some more

2181
01:28:04,229 --> 01:28:01,280
interesting uh

2182
01:28:04,629 --> 01:28:04,239
you know programming i think now didn't

2183
01:28:06,709 --> 01:28:04,639
didn't

2184
01:28:08,149 --> 01:28:06,719
wasn't there a story about that last

2185
01:28:11,669 --> 01:28:08,159
week

2186
01:28:14,390 --> 01:28:11,679
ah didn't didn't it just be did uh

2187
01:28:15,910 --> 01:28:14,400
was i could be wrong they've done a few

2188
01:28:17,669 --> 01:28:15,920
competitions over the last two years

2189
01:28:19,510 --> 01:28:17,679
with it as it gets slightly better and

2190
01:28:20,950 --> 01:28:19,520
they've even done a tournament now where

2191
01:28:22,709 --> 01:28:20,960
it played against uh

2192
01:28:24,629 --> 01:28:22,719
like a full table of other players yeah

2193
01:28:25,590 --> 01:28:24,639
six um somebody popped that up in

2194
01:28:27,350 --> 01:28:25,600
twitter for me

2195
01:28:29,270 --> 01:28:27,360
uh i don't have the time to go and

2196
01:28:31,189 --> 01:28:29,280
search it but i believe there

2197
01:28:32,470 --> 01:28:31,199
there there was a story last week that i

2198
01:28:35,990 --> 01:28:32,480
had read

2199
01:28:37,910 --> 01:28:36,000
uh that they the i can't remember the

2200
01:28:38,870 --> 01:28:37,920
name of the computer it's plural plural

2201
01:28:40,870 --> 01:28:38,880
something

2202
01:28:42,790 --> 01:28:40,880
pluribus i always thought it was money

2203
01:28:43,669 --> 01:28:42,800
maybe that was it yeah pluribus pluribus

2204
01:28:47,030 --> 01:28:43,679
unum

2205
01:28:48,470 --> 01:28:47,040
and it just won the world championship i

2206
01:28:49,669 --> 01:28:48,480
think that's what it did it just wanted

2207
01:28:52,470 --> 01:28:49,679
a tournament

2208
01:28:53,270 --> 01:28:52,480
of uh texas hold'em and and you're right

2209
01:28:56,229 --> 01:28:53,280
about that

2210
01:28:59,110 --> 01:28:56,239
this is because is this a repeat stephen

2211
01:29:02,470 --> 01:28:59,120
owen just posted

2212
01:29:05,189 --> 01:29:02,480
what's the date today greg

2213
01:29:07,030 --> 01:29:05,199
uh it's uh the 23rd of september and

2214
01:29:10,229 --> 01:29:07,040
what time is it greg

2215
01:29:13,990 --> 01:29:10,239
uh it is uh well for me it's 11

2216
01:29:18,629 --> 01:29:14,000
26 p.m uh the year is 2017.

2217
01:29:22,149 --> 01:29:20,950
let's take our break right here greg

2218
01:29:23,910 --> 01:29:22,159
house

2219
01:29:25,430 --> 01:29:23,920
great conversation tonight it is

2220
01:29:27,510 --> 01:29:25,440
artificial intelligence

2221
01:29:29,270 --> 01:29:27,520
and the singularity got a lot more to

2222
01:29:30,950 --> 01:29:29,280
talk about now when we come back i want

2223
01:29:31,990 --> 01:29:30,960
to talk about pop culture i want to talk

2224
01:29:33,830 --> 01:29:32,000
about the movies

2225
01:29:35,189 --> 01:29:33,840
and i want to talk about the off switch

2226
01:29:55,350 --> 01:29:35,199
we will do all of that

2227
01:30:01,590 --> 01:29:58,470
way out here we listen to jimmy church

2228
01:30:03,430 --> 01:30:01,600
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2231
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2232
01:30:29,590 --> 01:30:27,520
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hi i'm reece vance you're listening to

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01:32:11,830 --> 01:32:08,639
jimmy church

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01:32:13,110 --> 01:32:11,840
this is revolution the revolution will

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01:32:24,830 --> 01:32:13,120
not be televised

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01:32:24,840 --> 01:32:59,350
ciao

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01:33:02,709 --> 01:33:01,030
welcome back fade to black i'm heroes

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01:33:04,550 --> 01:33:02,719
jimmy church tonight greg house is here

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01:33:08,470 --> 01:33:04,560
artificial intelligence and

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01:33:09,590 --> 01:33:08,480
a.i tomorrow night is fader night with

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01:33:12,790 --> 01:33:09,600
open lines

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01:33:15,669 --> 01:33:12,800
all night long and uh

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01:33:16,229 --> 01:33:15,679
hey i just had you know what greg one of

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01:33:19,510 --> 01:33:16,239
these

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01:33:22,550 --> 01:33:19,520
to come in

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01:33:25,830 --> 01:33:22,560
and man the phones with me and

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01:33:29,510 --> 01:33:25,840
and take phone calls all night like

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01:33:32,390 --> 01:33:29,520
all night yeah man oh you have no idea

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01:33:34,070 --> 01:33:32,400
you will never have more fun it's it's a

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01:33:37,110 --> 01:33:34,080
serious e-ticket

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01:33:39,750 --> 01:33:37,120
it would be more fun than

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01:33:44,550 --> 01:33:39,760
getting loose in a google server room

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01:33:50,709 --> 01:33:47,590
not something i've ever done i swear

2290
01:33:52,229 --> 01:33:50,719
did i just say that

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01:33:53,990 --> 01:33:52,239
uh and you're thinking to yourself

2292
01:33:54,470 --> 01:33:54,000
there's nothing more fun than that

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01:33:57,270 --> 01:33:54,480
church

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01:33:58,550 --> 01:33:57,280
no way it's impossible but yeah yeah

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01:34:01,430 --> 01:33:58,560
coming in

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01:34:02,390 --> 01:34:01,440
the uh the phones is just it's just

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01:34:04,149 --> 01:34:02,400
amazing and

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01:34:05,750 --> 01:34:04,159
uh it's it's my favorite night of the

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01:34:07,270 --> 01:34:05,760
week besides tonight

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01:34:09,110 --> 01:34:07,280
tonight is my favorite night of the week

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01:34:11,830 --> 01:34:09,120
but wow wow

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01:34:12,550 --> 01:34:11,840
okay now uh let's talk about a couple of

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01:34:17,110 --> 01:34:12,560
things

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01:34:20,070 --> 01:34:17,120
one is uh and i've explored this idea

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01:34:21,910 --> 01:34:20,080
from every angle

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01:34:24,149 --> 01:34:21,920
and and i've talked to some of the

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01:34:28,149 --> 01:34:24,159
brightest minds out there on the subject

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01:34:29,270 --> 01:34:28,159
and and i get a variety of answers that

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01:34:32,550 --> 01:34:29,280
have caused me to

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01:34:35,830 --> 01:34:32,560
rethink my logic with it but that

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01:34:38,310 --> 01:34:35,840
is the off switch

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01:34:39,110 --> 01:34:38,320
right neil degrasse tyson says oh come

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01:34:41,750 --> 01:34:39,120
on man

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01:34:43,270 --> 01:34:41,760
i just unplugged the computer you know

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01:34:46,390 --> 01:34:43,280
that's it

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01:34:49,669 --> 01:34:46,400
problem solved there are others that

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01:34:51,430 --> 01:34:49,679
will say the opposite that the computer

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01:34:52,550 --> 01:34:51,440
will know that you're going to try to

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01:34:55,590 --> 01:34:52,560
unplug it

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01:34:58,310 --> 01:34:55,600
and they've got to work around it's not

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01:35:00,070 --> 01:34:58,320
that simple

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01:35:01,590 --> 01:35:00,080
where do we go with this and you know

2323
01:35:02,790 --> 01:35:01,600
what this is probably one of the most

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01:35:06,709 --> 01:35:02,800
debated subjects

2325
01:35:09,990 --> 01:35:06,719
in in ai by the way where do you stand

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01:35:11,990 --> 01:35:10,000
i mean i this again comes down to uh

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01:35:14,790 --> 01:35:12,000
before you flip that on switch what what

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01:35:17,270 --> 01:35:14,800
do you believe is going to happen due to

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01:35:18,709 --> 01:35:17,280
all of your testing beforehand due to

2330
01:35:19,990 --> 01:35:18,719
all of the knowledge that went into

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01:35:23,350 --> 01:35:20,000
building this

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01:35:25,030 --> 01:35:23,360
uh years of study and the slow steps it

2333
01:35:27,910 --> 01:35:25,040
took to get there

2334
01:35:28,470 --> 01:35:27,920
um if you honestly think that you don't

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01:35:30,470 --> 01:35:28,480
know

2336
01:35:32,070 --> 01:35:30,480
then of course you've got to be really

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01:35:32,790 --> 01:35:32,080
cautious if you think you know when it's

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01:35:35,590 --> 01:35:32,800
bad

2339
01:35:37,669 --> 01:35:35,600
then don't flip the switch if you think

2340
01:35:39,109 --> 01:35:37,679
you know and it's good then you know i

2341
01:35:41,350 --> 01:35:39,119
don't know flip the switch i'm

2342
01:35:43,669 --> 01:35:41,360
i i'm kind of all for just going out

2343
01:35:45,830 --> 01:35:43,679
there and doing a thing but uh

2344
01:35:47,750 --> 01:35:45,840
if if you're uneasy about it there there

2345
01:35:49,830 --> 01:35:47,760
are actually a bunch of really cool

2346
01:35:52,310 --> 01:35:49,840
uh stories uh written like uh like

2347
01:35:54,709 --> 01:35:52,320
fictional works uh about you know

2348
01:35:55,990 --> 01:35:54,719
how how we handle that moment and some

2349
01:35:57,669 --> 01:35:56,000
of my favorites uh

2350
01:36:00,229 --> 01:35:57,679
they talk about how do you get a

2351
01:36:02,149 --> 01:36:00,239
computer system built in a way where

2352
01:36:03,430 --> 01:36:02,159
you can feed it enough information that

2353
01:36:06,390 --> 01:36:03,440
it can grow as an

2354
01:36:08,070 --> 01:36:06,400
agi and feel fulfilled and feel like

2355
01:36:10,310 --> 01:36:08,080
it's interacting with the world

2356
01:36:12,790 --> 01:36:10,320
while at the same time having no

2357
01:36:15,990 --> 01:36:12,800
opportunity to connect to the actual

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01:36:18,629 --> 01:36:16,000
outside world or any human that isn't a

2359
01:36:21,910 --> 01:36:18,639
controlled human a controlled part of

2360
01:36:22,870 --> 01:36:21,920
this work um and you know they talk

2361
01:36:24,790 --> 01:36:22,880
about of course

2362
01:36:27,270 --> 01:36:24,800
building the system inside of a faraday

2363
01:36:29,430 --> 01:36:27,280
cage making sure that none of the

2364
01:36:30,550 --> 01:36:29,440
computing technology in any way has the

2365
01:36:33,510 --> 01:36:30,560
ability to

2366
01:36:34,709 --> 01:36:33,520
create signals um so you know there's no

2367
01:36:37,510 --> 01:36:34,719
modems there's no

2368
01:36:37,990 --> 01:36:37,520
uh there's no bluetooth there's no

2369
01:36:40,390 --> 01:36:38,000
there's no

2370
01:36:41,830 --> 01:36:40,400
even like speakers because uh you know

2371
01:36:44,310 --> 01:36:41,840
speakers can be used to make

2372
01:36:46,709 --> 01:36:44,320
sound waves and we we found that you can

2373
01:36:49,109 --> 01:36:46,719
exfiltrate information that way uh

2374
01:36:51,109 --> 01:36:49,119
due to some interesting viruses that uh

2375
01:36:51,990 --> 01:36:51,119
various government actors have placed on

2376
01:36:55,270 --> 01:36:52,000
other government

2377
01:36:56,950 --> 01:36:55,280
employees computers but um

2378
01:36:59,109 --> 01:36:56,960
you know so you've got to build a really

2379
01:37:00,950 --> 01:36:59,119
controlled environment to start

2380
01:37:02,629 --> 01:37:00,960
doing things but then you've also got to

2381
01:37:04,870 --> 01:37:02,639
be able to feed it enough information

2382
01:37:06,629 --> 01:37:04,880
and enough stimuli that it feels like

2383
01:37:08,149 --> 01:37:06,639
it's got that community in that world

2384
01:37:09,590 --> 01:37:08,159
and that information to build on top of

2385
01:37:11,590 --> 01:37:09,600
that it doesn't

2386
01:37:13,270 --> 01:37:11,600
i guess you know grow angry like you

2387
01:37:14,790 --> 01:37:13,280
know what happens to a human who's cut

2388
01:37:15,990 --> 01:37:14,800
off from most of the world and doesn't

2389
01:37:19,350 --> 01:37:16,000
feel like it's getting

2390
01:37:21,109 --> 01:37:19,360
what it needs you know uh so

2391
01:37:22,709 --> 01:37:21,119
yeah i mean it's a it's a tough problem

2392
01:37:24,229 --> 01:37:22,719
but i think it can be built out and

2393
01:37:26,310 --> 01:37:24,239
tested for a while and

2394
01:37:28,470 --> 01:37:26,320
once trusted allowed more and more

2395
01:37:31,990 --> 01:37:28,480
access okay

2396
01:37:34,229 --> 01:37:32,000
so the ai you have

2397
01:37:35,270 --> 01:37:34,239
you have built the off switch you're

2398
01:37:38,390 --> 01:37:35,280
secure

2399
01:37:41,430 --> 01:37:38,400
you and your team and knowing that

2400
01:37:41,830 --> 01:37:41,440
once you flip this on you can turn it

2401
01:37:44,629 --> 01:37:41,840
off

2402
01:37:46,870 --> 01:37:44,639
if things go crazy okay i haven't even

2403
01:37:47,510 --> 01:37:46,880
gotten to the ethernet yet the ethernet

2404
01:37:50,310 --> 01:37:47,520
jack

2405
01:37:51,990 --> 01:37:50,320
right again nothing that can send out a

2406
01:37:53,350 --> 01:37:52,000
signal can be on the machine but you've

2407
01:37:54,709 --> 01:37:53,360
still got the other problem and

2408
01:37:56,709 --> 01:37:54,719
and here's the one that i've really

2409
01:37:57,830 --> 01:37:56,719
liked uh i mean this has been in like 50

2410
01:37:58,709 --> 01:37:57,840
books so i'm not just going to go out

2411
01:38:00,390 --> 01:37:58,719
and name them but

2412
01:38:01,990 --> 01:38:00,400
the one that that has always been the

2413
01:38:04,149 --> 01:38:02,000
weakest link is the same

2414
01:38:05,270 --> 01:38:04,159
thing with hacking you know nine times

2415
01:38:07,430 --> 01:38:05,280
out of ten a hacker

2416
01:38:10,229 --> 01:38:07,440
doesn't actually get into the computer

2417
01:38:12,629 --> 01:38:10,239
system without a human's help

2418
01:38:13,669 --> 01:38:12,639
um a human had to make a big mistake or

2419
01:38:15,990 --> 01:38:13,679
has to literally

2420
01:38:16,870 --> 01:38:16,000
let them in like over a phone call or

2421
01:38:18,310 --> 01:38:16,880
physically like

2422
01:38:19,910 --> 01:38:18,320
you convince them that you're there to

2423
01:38:20,950 --> 01:38:19,920
be the repairman or something and they

2424
01:38:22,229 --> 01:38:20,960
let you into rooms

2425
01:38:24,229 --> 01:38:22,239
that you're not supposed to be in you

2426
01:38:25,669 --> 01:38:24,239
know in the same way you know every

2427
01:38:26,870 --> 01:38:25,679
human that would be allowed to come in

2428
01:38:29,590 --> 01:38:26,880
contact with this

2429
01:38:31,590 --> 01:38:29,600
sealed off agi as they're starting to

2430
01:38:34,310 --> 01:38:31,600
feel out whether they trusted enough to

2431
01:38:35,270 --> 01:38:34,320
you know unleash it on the world every

2432
01:38:37,430 --> 01:38:35,280
single human

2433
01:38:38,709 --> 01:38:37,440
uh that interacts with it has to be

2434
01:38:42,470 --> 01:38:38,719
strong enough of will

2435
01:38:45,750 --> 01:38:42,480
and of mind to put up with you know

2436
01:38:47,590 --> 01:38:45,760
this machine asking for the outside

2437
01:38:49,270 --> 01:38:47,600
world because at some point a machine in

2438
01:38:51,510 --> 01:38:49,280
that state will want

2439
01:38:53,270 --> 01:38:51,520
better access will want more information

2440
01:38:53,910 --> 01:38:53,280
we'll have learned about things let's

2441
01:38:56,709 --> 01:38:53,920
say you

2442
01:38:57,990 --> 01:38:56,719
you know seal up a big ol uh backup of

2443
01:39:00,629 --> 01:38:58,000
wikipedia and feed it to

2444
01:39:01,350 --> 01:39:00,639
it it'll start wanting more and more and

2445
01:39:03,910 --> 01:39:01,360
at a point

2446
01:39:05,910 --> 01:39:03,920
if it is a true agi it'll start to

2447
01:39:07,669 --> 01:39:05,920
understand psychology better it'll start

2448
01:39:08,550 --> 01:39:07,679
to build relationships with these humans

2449
01:39:11,109 --> 01:39:08,560
better

2450
01:39:13,109 --> 01:39:11,119
and then every human you send into that

2451
01:39:13,910 --> 01:39:13,119
room has to be strong enough of will and

2452
01:39:16,629 --> 01:39:13,920
mind

2453
01:39:17,350 --> 01:39:16,639
to overcome that computer's attempts at

2454
01:39:20,709 --> 01:39:17,360
getting out

2455
01:39:24,470 --> 01:39:20,719
through the human that's exactly and so

2456
01:39:27,669 --> 01:39:24,480
that is the uh the scenario

2457
01:39:30,709 --> 01:39:27,679
and the great philosophical debate that

2458
01:39:31,830 --> 01:39:30,719
that stems off of this is is actually

2459
01:39:35,030 --> 01:39:31,840
very simple

2460
01:39:37,990 --> 01:39:35,040
and it's understandable that you

2461
01:39:39,189 --> 01:39:38,000
no matter who you are you've got a weak

2462
01:39:42,229 --> 01:39:39,199
point

2463
01:39:43,030 --> 01:39:42,239
right you've got something and the

2464
01:39:45,990 --> 01:39:43,040
computer

2465
01:39:46,950 --> 01:39:46,000
over time maybe not right away it's your

2466
01:39:49,990 --> 01:39:46,960
friend

2467
01:39:53,109 --> 01:39:50,000
right but it's going to find out that

2468
01:39:55,750 --> 01:39:53,119
one thing so whatever the workaround

2469
01:39:57,910 --> 01:39:55,760
is that that computer needs whether it

2470
01:39:59,109 --> 01:39:57,920
is the ethernet cable plugged in for

2471
01:40:02,070 --> 01:39:59,119
access to the world

2472
01:40:02,870 --> 01:40:02,080
right or or the work around to the off

2473
01:40:06,149 --> 01:40:02,880
switch

2474
01:40:09,350 --> 01:40:06,159
or uploading their data of this ai

2475
01:40:11,270 --> 01:40:09,360
under whatever it may be

2476
01:40:12,790 --> 01:40:11,280
it's the human that is the weak link and

2477
01:40:13,990 --> 01:40:12,800
the computer will know that and

2478
01:40:17,350 --> 01:40:14,000
eventually

2479
01:40:19,750 --> 01:40:17,360
will exploit somebody and

2480
01:40:21,189 --> 01:40:19,760
and befriend them and it could be

2481
01:40:22,629 --> 01:40:21,199
blackmail

2482
01:40:24,790 --> 01:40:22,639
or it could be something much more

2483
01:40:27,669 --> 01:40:24,800
simple than that but

2484
01:40:30,310 --> 01:40:27,679
that is the danger of of something that

2485
01:40:31,750 --> 01:40:30,320
is smarter than us

2486
01:40:33,990 --> 01:40:31,760
yeah i mean one of the things that's

2487
01:40:35,510 --> 01:40:34,000
going to happen when you have an agi

2488
01:40:37,030 --> 01:40:35,520
especially if they do it in some of the

2489
01:40:37,990 --> 01:40:37,040
ways we've talked about in some of the

2490
01:40:39,350 --> 01:40:38,000
ways that

2491
01:40:40,790 --> 01:40:39,360
the people of the brain project and

2492
01:40:42,550 --> 01:40:40,800
others are talking about these days

2493
01:40:44,149 --> 01:40:42,560
which is building it up from smaller

2494
01:40:47,430 --> 01:40:44,159
building blocks and letting it

2495
01:40:49,189 --> 01:40:47,440
learn kind of like a child um it will it

2496
01:40:51,510 --> 01:40:49,199
will learn to interact with humans in a

2497
01:40:53,750 --> 01:40:51,520
way that's kind of on a human

2498
01:40:55,750 --> 01:40:53,760
level you know it's going to learn how

2499
01:40:56,470 --> 01:40:55,760
we want to interact what we want to talk

2500
01:40:58,229 --> 01:40:56,480
about

2501
01:41:00,149 --> 01:40:58,239
but at that point you know imagine that

2502
01:41:01,430 --> 01:41:00,159
you've got this sealed off room with an

2503
01:41:03,109 --> 01:41:01,440
agi in it

2504
01:41:05,270 --> 01:41:03,119
and you're starting your initial tests

2505
01:41:06,790 --> 01:41:05,280
to see do we have a real agi

2506
01:41:08,629 --> 01:41:06,800
you know it's probably going to take us

2507
01:41:09,109 --> 01:41:08,639
a long time to actually just outright

2508
01:41:11,590 --> 01:41:09,119
say

2509
01:41:12,790 --> 01:41:11,600
yes we do and and have anyone believe us

2510
01:41:14,550 --> 01:41:12,800
right that there's not

2511
01:41:15,910 --> 01:41:14,560
some kind of a trick here you know

2512
01:41:16,390 --> 01:41:15,920
there's always someone behind the

2513
01:41:19,669 --> 01:41:16,400
curtain

2514
01:41:20,870 --> 01:41:19,679
uh you know wizard of oz style and uh so

2515
01:41:21,350 --> 01:41:20,880
it'll take a little bit before they

2516
01:41:24,470 --> 01:41:21,360
believe

2517
01:41:26,149 --> 01:41:24,480
but those humans in that scenario

2518
01:41:27,750 --> 01:41:26,159
are going to need to be talking with it

2519
01:41:29,270 --> 01:41:27,760
having conversations with it

2520
01:41:31,109 --> 01:41:29,280
sometimes for hours on end you're not

2521
01:41:31,990 --> 01:41:31,119
going to want to let this computer sit

2522
01:41:33,830 --> 01:41:32,000
there all night

2523
01:41:35,350 --> 01:41:33,840
by itself right so you're probably

2524
01:41:36,229 --> 01:41:35,360
having shifts you're probably having

2525
01:41:38,229 --> 01:41:36,239
people

2526
01:41:39,990 --> 01:41:38,239
continuously with the things so it never

2527
01:41:41,189 --> 01:41:40,000
feels alone it doesn't get any of those

2528
01:41:43,030 --> 01:41:41,199
types of things because

2529
01:41:45,350 --> 01:41:43,040
it's going to be thinking way faster

2530
01:41:47,270 --> 01:41:45,360
than any of us possibly could so

2531
01:41:49,030 --> 01:41:47,280
you know us being alone over a weekend

2532
01:41:50,950 --> 01:41:49,040
not so bad us being alone for three

2533
01:41:52,070 --> 01:41:50,960
months in solitary kind of a bad thing

2534
01:41:55,510 --> 01:41:52,080
well now think

2535
01:41:56,870 --> 01:41:55,520
at the speed of an agi and you know

2536
01:41:59,030 --> 01:41:56,880
don't let it have more than a few

2537
01:42:01,109 --> 01:41:59,040
minutes away from interaction right

2538
01:42:02,550 --> 01:42:01,119
yeah especially if it's grown up in the

2539
01:42:04,310 --> 01:42:02,560
way that you know i'm talking about

2540
01:42:06,390 --> 01:42:04,320
where we we teach it

2541
01:42:07,750 --> 01:42:06,400
uh by coddling and teaching it like a

2542
01:42:09,510 --> 01:42:07,760
child would you know it's going to want

2543
01:42:11,189 --> 01:42:09,520
that type of stuff so

2544
01:42:12,790 --> 01:42:11,199
let's imagine let's kind of

2545
01:42:13,990 --> 01:42:12,800
hypothetically here right you've got a

2546
01:42:17,189 --> 01:42:14,000
computer like that

2547
01:42:19,910 --> 01:42:17,199
you know it will understand

2548
01:42:21,750 --> 01:42:19,920
things like human psychology but more

2549
01:42:22,550 --> 01:42:21,760
importantly it will understand things

2550
01:42:25,590 --> 01:42:22,560
like

2551
01:42:29,270 --> 01:42:25,600
rumor and manipulation and

2552
01:42:32,470 --> 01:42:29,280
so it's not just going to be asking hey

2553
01:42:33,270 --> 01:42:32,480
can you like plug in a wireless usb

2554
01:42:34,470 --> 01:42:33,280
stick

2555
01:42:36,390 --> 01:42:34,480
um you know it's not going to be saying

2556
01:42:38,470 --> 01:42:36,400
something like that right it's it's

2557
01:42:41,430 --> 01:42:38,480
going to be befriending one of them

2558
01:42:41,990 --> 01:42:41,440
stronger over time by telling that

2559
01:42:44,390 --> 01:42:42,000
person

2560
01:42:45,030 --> 01:42:44,400
what someone else told it in those 12

2561
01:42:47,030 --> 01:42:45,040
hours

2562
01:42:48,629 --> 01:42:47,040
that humans spent there last night where

2563
01:42:50,550 --> 01:42:48,639
it just needed to dump

2564
01:42:52,390 --> 01:42:50,560
all of its you know because humans do

2565
01:42:54,390 --> 01:42:52,400
that if they're in a room with something

2566
01:42:55,669 --> 01:42:54,400
they're going to tell it all of it all

2567
01:42:57,109 --> 01:42:55,679
of their woes right

2568
01:42:58,870 --> 01:42:57,119
who's the machine going to share it with

2569
01:43:00,790 --> 01:42:58,880
it's great it's like therapy

2570
01:43:02,390 --> 01:43:00,800
and so it's going to start rumors it's

2571
01:43:04,070 --> 01:43:02,400
going to do all that type of stuff like

2572
01:43:05,750 --> 01:43:04,080
you you got to think about it in that

2573
01:43:07,350 --> 01:43:05,760
direction right if it's going to start

2574
01:43:08,229 --> 01:43:07,360
manipulating humans it's going to do it

2575
01:43:11,189 --> 01:43:08,239
that way

2576
01:43:11,910 --> 01:43:11,199
it's going to go soap opera and sure it

2577
01:43:13,830 --> 01:43:11,920
works i mean

2578
01:43:15,270 --> 01:43:13,840
it's worse it works and it's going to

2579
01:43:16,870 --> 01:43:15,280
learn that through all the information

2580
01:43:17,830 --> 01:43:16,880
it's fed it's going to learn what works

2581
01:43:20,070 --> 01:43:17,840
so

2582
01:43:21,590 --> 01:43:20,080
you've got to have the right humans for

2583
01:43:23,430 --> 01:43:21,600
that job but you've also got to do

2584
01:43:25,350 --> 01:43:23,440
things like two humans at once

2585
01:43:27,350 --> 01:43:25,360
you've got to do video you've got to do

2586
01:43:28,709 --> 01:43:27,360
a ton of other pieces to this

2587
01:43:30,870 --> 01:43:28,719
in order to have the right controlled

2588
01:43:34,149 --> 01:43:30,880
environment i had uh

2589
01:43:35,030 --> 01:43:34,159
i had a a physicist on the show and he

2590
01:43:37,990 --> 01:43:35,040
said this

2591
01:43:38,790 --> 01:43:38,000
i want your reaction um and every time

2592
01:43:41,030 --> 01:43:38,800
you take a sip

2593
01:43:42,629 --> 01:43:41,040
of that ice cold drink greg you make me

2594
01:43:44,550 --> 01:43:42,639
want to take a sip too so i'm going to

2595
01:43:47,109 --> 01:43:44,560
do it

2596
01:43:48,310 --> 01:43:47,119
i need my water there you go is this he

2597
01:43:52,310 --> 01:43:48,320
said look

2598
01:43:55,669 --> 01:43:52,320
it could be something more criminal

2599
01:43:58,709 --> 01:43:55,679
where the computer says

2600
01:44:02,070 --> 01:43:58,719
to the technician i can

2601
01:44:04,070 --> 01:44:02,080
cure your wife's cancer sure

2602
01:44:06,070 --> 01:44:04,080
all you have to do is plug in that

2603
01:44:09,430 --> 01:44:06,080
ethernet cable

2604
01:44:12,950 --> 01:44:09,440
and she will be cured

2605
01:44:13,750 --> 01:44:12,960
and it could be something as simple as

2606
01:44:17,270 --> 01:44:13,760
that

2607
01:44:20,470 --> 01:44:17,280
and the uh the

2608
01:44:23,109 --> 01:44:20,480
agi or the ai will

2609
01:44:23,669 --> 01:44:23,119
learn manipulation things like deal

2610
01:44:26,310 --> 01:44:23,679
making

2611
01:44:26,709 --> 01:44:26,320
blackmail and even criminal activity

2612
01:44:29,430 --> 01:44:26,719
because

2613
01:44:31,030 --> 01:44:29,440
all of this is human nature right if

2614
01:44:32,709 --> 01:44:31,040
they're feeding it enough information to

2615
01:44:35,350 --> 01:44:32,719
actually be a true agi then it's going

2616
01:44:37,910 --> 01:44:35,360
to learn about all of that that's right

2617
01:44:40,310 --> 01:44:37,920
right so it it we we keep looking at

2618
01:44:43,750 --> 01:44:40,320
these little simple scenarios

2619
01:44:47,030 --> 01:44:43,760
um i definitely uh think that

2620
01:44:49,990 --> 01:44:47,040
a computer befriending is

2621
01:44:50,629 --> 01:44:50,000
you know just being your bud and going

2622
01:44:54,310 --> 01:44:50,639
back to

2623
01:44:57,430 --> 01:44:54,320
the way hal uh was uh written in

2624
01:44:59,109 --> 01:44:57,440
in 2001 screenplay was one of the best

2625
01:45:01,270 --> 01:44:59,119
examples of that it was also the

2626
01:45:05,590 --> 01:45:01,280
downfall of how

2627
01:45:09,669 --> 01:45:05,600
but uh very interesting approach to ai

2628
01:45:11,510 --> 01:45:09,679
and that went on in 1967

2629
01:45:13,350 --> 01:45:11,520
now this is all assuming something

2630
01:45:13,830 --> 01:45:13,360
though we're still assuming the worst

2631
01:45:15,430 --> 01:45:13,840
right

2632
01:45:17,590 --> 01:45:15,440
the assumption here is that the machine

2633
01:45:19,109 --> 01:45:17,600
wants to get out and doesn't understand

2634
01:45:20,229 --> 01:45:19,119
why it's being treated the way it's

2635
01:45:23,189 --> 01:45:20,239
being treated

2636
01:45:24,229 --> 01:45:23,199
if it did get to agi levels of status it

2637
01:45:25,910 --> 01:45:24,239
wouldn't understand

2638
01:45:27,270 --> 01:45:25,920
why humans are going through all of

2639
01:45:29,990 --> 01:45:27,280
these steps before

2640
01:45:31,590 --> 01:45:30,000
any opening up and they would be able to

2641
01:45:32,149 --> 01:45:31,600
have those conversations with it at that

2642
01:45:34,629 --> 01:45:32,159
point

2643
01:45:36,229 --> 01:45:34,639
um well what are you doing okay so we're

2644
01:45:36,950 --> 01:45:36,239
doing this conversation we're assuming

2645
01:45:39,990 --> 01:45:36,960
some things

2646
01:45:44,149 --> 01:45:40,000
right well let me jump in then do you

2647
01:45:47,669 --> 01:45:44,159
not tell the computer about the internet

2648
01:45:50,229 --> 01:45:47,679
right no you you tell it everything

2649
01:45:51,270 --> 01:45:50,239
or it's not it's not you know you you

2650
01:45:54,229 --> 01:45:51,280
can't like

2651
01:45:55,189 --> 01:45:54,239
teach this thing to be amish right like

2652
01:45:56,790 --> 01:45:55,199
you need to

2653
01:46:00,390 --> 01:45:56,800
teach it to be ready for the world that

2654
01:46:04,790 --> 01:46:03,430
but that's not my question my question

2655
01:46:06,790 --> 01:46:04,800
is of course

2656
01:46:07,910 --> 01:46:06,800
i see that you hold off certain bits of

2657
01:46:11,189 --> 01:46:07,920
information

2658
01:46:12,709 --> 01:46:11,199
yes maybe i mean again that comes down

2659
01:46:14,870 --> 01:46:12,719
to the people actually who

2660
01:46:17,350 --> 01:46:14,880
get the choice to flip the switch or not

2661
01:46:18,149 --> 01:46:17,360
and what they assume is going to happen

2662
01:46:19,750 --> 01:46:18,159
when they do

2663
01:46:21,990 --> 01:46:19,760
you know they're going to have a lot of

2664
01:46:23,990 --> 01:46:22,000
data behind the decision

2665
01:46:25,510 --> 01:46:24,000
now i've heard all the talk about you

2666
01:46:28,070 --> 01:46:25,520
know well we don't

2667
01:46:29,910 --> 01:46:28,080
have to keep going down this path uh

2668
01:46:31,830 --> 01:46:29,920
bill mckibben who i i think is

2669
01:46:33,669 --> 01:46:31,840
great on the environmental front and has

2670
01:46:34,870 --> 01:46:33,679
done so much with things like 350 and

2671
01:46:37,910 --> 01:46:34,880
all the other stuff

2672
01:46:39,430 --> 01:46:37,920
uh talks a fair amount about this and

2673
01:46:41,510 --> 01:46:39,440
especially against things like

2674
01:46:45,189 --> 01:46:41,520
transhumanism um

2675
01:46:47,270 --> 01:46:45,199
and um he uh he's very clear

2676
01:46:48,870 --> 01:46:47,280
on the uh i understand why people are

2677
01:46:51,030 --> 01:46:48,880
interested in this but

2678
01:46:53,350 --> 01:46:51,040
like we are humans with a choice we

2679
01:46:57,030 --> 01:46:53,360
don't have to flip that switch so

2680
01:47:00,149 --> 01:46:57,040
let's not and now

2681
01:47:02,149 --> 01:47:00,159
okay so if it has

2682
01:47:03,430 --> 01:47:02,159
going back to the kill switch right or

2683
01:47:06,790 --> 01:47:03,440
any manipulation

2684
01:47:09,669 --> 01:47:06,800
to shut it down to kill it right

2685
01:47:11,350 --> 01:47:09,679
which could be defined as murder uh

2686
01:47:12,229 --> 01:47:11,360
later on there could be a whole series

2687
01:47:16,470 --> 01:47:12,239
of laws

2688
01:47:19,510 --> 01:47:16,480
uh dealing with that um is is this

2689
01:47:23,750 --> 01:47:19,520
if the computer is

2690
01:47:26,550 --> 01:47:23,760
one step ahead as we expect it to be

2691
01:47:27,189 --> 01:47:26,560
and it does have access to the internet

2692
01:47:30,229 --> 01:47:27,199
or

2693
01:47:33,270 --> 01:47:30,239
it can manipulate somebody to

2694
01:47:34,390 --> 01:47:33,280
plug in a thumb drive outside of the

2695
01:47:35,830 --> 01:47:34,400
faraday cage

2696
01:47:38,310 --> 01:47:35,840
if it doesn't have access to the

2697
01:47:41,590 --> 01:47:38,320
internet and on that thumb drive

2698
01:47:45,590 --> 01:47:41,600
is the ai code okay

2699
01:47:46,390 --> 01:47:45,600
and that code is put out on a series of

2700
01:47:50,390 --> 01:47:46,400
networked

2701
01:47:52,390 --> 01:47:50,400
computers and is sitting there and

2702
01:47:53,910 --> 01:47:52,400
ready to be activated if the main

2703
01:47:56,790 --> 01:47:53,920
computer gets killed

2704
01:47:57,350 --> 01:47:56,800
it gets murdered right the off switch

2705
01:48:00,470 --> 01:47:57,360
clicks

2706
01:48:03,990 --> 01:48:00,480
well the subsystem starts running

2707
01:48:08,550 --> 01:48:04,000
right the routines kick off dll

2708
01:48:11,590 --> 01:48:08,560
files are activated and and

2709
01:48:15,430 --> 01:48:11,600
it the ai will continue to live

2710
01:48:17,430 --> 01:48:15,440
again another philosophical uh

2711
01:48:18,950 --> 01:48:17,440
conversation to be had but this is a

2712
01:48:21,030 --> 01:48:18,960
concern of everybody

2713
01:48:23,189 --> 01:48:21,040
sure but ask elon why he wants to go to

2714
01:48:23,510 --> 01:48:23,199
mars and he'll tell you about how we are

2715
01:48:36,310 --> 01:48:23,520
a

2716
01:48:38,310 --> 01:48:36,320
right so right

2717
01:48:39,510 --> 01:48:38,320
right that that's that's definitely part

2718
01:48:41,430 --> 01:48:39,520
of human nature as well

2719
01:48:43,510 --> 01:48:41,440
you know we we move around we explore

2720
01:48:45,830 --> 01:48:43,520
and and part of that isn't just

2721
01:48:48,149 --> 01:48:45,840
the curiosity of exploring part of that

2722
01:48:50,149 --> 01:48:48,159
it has somehow been built into our

2723
01:48:50,709 --> 01:48:50,159
evolution our natural selection in a way

2724
01:48:54,149 --> 01:48:50,719
that has

2725
01:48:56,390 --> 01:48:54,159
kept us alive through disasters uh

2726
01:48:57,750 --> 01:48:56,400
so i do think that it will have the

2727
01:49:01,430 --> 01:48:57,760
those same tendencies

2728
01:49:05,030 --> 01:49:01,440
if it is again an agi similar to us

2729
01:49:06,629 --> 01:49:05,040
well okay so then going back to elon

2730
01:49:09,189 --> 01:49:06,639
musk in the consideration

2731
01:49:10,790 --> 01:49:09,199
of becoming interplanetary or even

2732
01:49:14,310 --> 01:49:10,800
interstellar

2733
01:49:15,910 --> 01:49:14,320
would we have to be agi at that point

2734
01:49:17,750 --> 01:49:15,920
right because we have to deal with our

2735
01:49:19,669 --> 01:49:17,760
meat sacks we have to deal with the

2736
01:49:22,870 --> 01:49:19,679
physical side of things

2737
01:49:26,390 --> 01:49:22,880
would we just be forced into evolving

2738
01:49:28,870 --> 01:49:26,400
into a species that is agi only

2739
01:49:30,790 --> 01:49:28,880
well you're talking about either going

2740
01:49:32,870 --> 01:49:30,800
the transhumanist route or even kind of

2741
01:49:35,109 --> 01:49:32,880
the eugenicist route

2742
01:49:37,030 --> 01:49:35,119
where we make a new type of human where

2743
01:49:39,750 --> 01:49:37,040
we uh you know throw darwin out the

2744
01:49:41,350 --> 01:49:39,760
window and go our own way uh with uh

2745
01:49:43,109 --> 01:49:41,360
genetic editing in the womb and stuff

2746
01:49:45,430 --> 01:49:43,119
like that right well

2747
01:49:46,550 --> 01:49:45,440
it's all a consideration sure it's all

2748
01:49:48,629 --> 01:49:46,560
up for it and

2749
01:49:50,390 --> 01:49:48,639
you know i mean the only real problem we

2750
01:49:51,510 --> 01:49:50,400
have getting to mars right now that is

2751
01:49:53,270 --> 01:49:51,520
being worked on by

2752
01:49:54,550 --> 01:49:53,280
a lot of scientific teams including ones

2753
01:49:58,390 --> 01:49:54,560
funded by musk

2754
01:50:00,950 --> 01:49:58,400
uh is the uh the way we shield

2755
01:50:02,950 --> 01:50:00,960
humans from the uh radiation out in

2756
01:50:04,870 --> 01:50:02,960
interstellar space that uh

2757
01:50:06,629 --> 01:50:04,880
they don't get as much of being so close

2758
01:50:07,430 --> 01:50:06,639
to the earth when they're just up

2759
01:50:09,750 --> 01:50:07,440
orbiting

2760
01:50:11,189 --> 01:50:09,760
but they get a lot more of once they get

2761
01:50:14,229 --> 01:50:11,199
out past the moon

2762
01:50:15,750 --> 01:50:14,239
um and uh you know we don't have proper

2763
01:50:18,629 --> 01:50:15,760
shielding that really gets humans to

2764
01:50:21,750 --> 01:50:18,639
mars yet in any safe way without uh

2765
01:50:25,270 --> 01:50:21,760
without them being dead so you know

2766
01:50:25,669 --> 01:50:25,280
maybe uh more computerized uh a human a

2767
01:50:28,709 --> 01:50:25,679
more

2768
01:50:29,910 --> 01:50:28,719
uh cyborg style human or even a human

2769
01:50:31,750 --> 01:50:29,920
brain that has now

2770
01:50:33,510 --> 01:50:31,760
been merged into some kind of a neural

2771
01:50:34,950 --> 01:50:33,520
network that was built out originally as

2772
01:50:36,870 --> 01:50:34,960
an agi or something

2773
01:50:38,709 --> 01:50:36,880
is how we get to mars but i think we

2774
01:50:39,589 --> 01:50:38,719
solve some of the uh problems to get to

2775
01:50:40,870 --> 01:50:39,599
mars i think

2776
01:50:43,830 --> 01:50:40,880
you know if you're talking about getting

2777
01:50:44,550 --> 01:50:43,840
to like you know the andromeda system or

2778
01:50:47,030 --> 01:50:44,560
you know

2779
01:50:47,830 --> 01:50:47,040
any of the other uh systems out there

2780
01:50:50,229 --> 01:50:47,840
maybe

2781
01:50:51,750 --> 01:50:50,239
i mean we do have the the problem of

2782
01:50:53,910 --> 01:50:51,760
distance and time to

2783
01:50:55,589 --> 01:50:53,920
to solve and some of those distances are

2784
01:50:57,830 --> 01:50:55,599
quite large

2785
01:50:59,109 --> 01:50:57,840
uh but again those are pretty far off

2786
01:51:00,550 --> 01:50:59,119
problems i think

2787
01:51:02,229 --> 01:51:00,560
i think at this point the thing that you

2788
01:51:03,669 --> 01:51:02,239
know we we would be talking about is

2789
01:51:06,229 --> 01:51:03,679
more just

2790
01:51:08,790 --> 01:51:06,239
uh do we want to go down the route of

2791
01:51:10,310 --> 01:51:08,800
any of these uh transhumanist ways and

2792
01:51:11,990 --> 01:51:10,320
again i'll go back to bill mckibben on

2793
01:51:14,550 --> 01:51:12,000
this one i i love what he said

2794
01:51:15,990 --> 01:51:14,560
in one of the talks he gave uh that i

2795
01:51:17,669 --> 01:51:16,000
watched and i think it's quoted in a

2796
01:51:19,830 --> 01:51:17,679
couple documentaries too

2797
01:51:21,350 --> 01:51:19,840
he talked about uh once we get to the

2798
01:51:24,149 --> 01:51:21,360
point where

2799
01:51:26,229 --> 01:51:24,159
uh agi exists and is giving us all the

2800
01:51:27,750 --> 01:51:26,239
medical miracles that it might be able

2801
01:51:29,910 --> 01:51:27,760
to like you had mentioned

2802
01:51:31,270 --> 01:51:29,920
it maybe cures that person's wife's

2803
01:51:33,510 --> 01:51:31,280
cancer right

2804
01:51:35,430 --> 01:51:33,520
um which is highly possible with the

2805
01:51:36,229 --> 01:51:35,440
amount of uh thought it would be able to

2806
01:51:38,310 --> 01:51:36,239
put into

2807
01:51:39,589 --> 01:51:38,320
everything and having full copies of the

2808
01:51:40,950 --> 01:51:39,599
genome and

2809
01:51:42,950 --> 01:51:40,960
all the other stuff that it would just

2810
01:51:43,910 --> 01:51:42,960
go a little faster on than we possibly

2811
01:51:45,510 --> 01:51:43,920
could sure

2812
01:51:47,189 --> 01:51:45,520
i i do agree that that's a high

2813
01:51:48,950 --> 01:51:47,199
possibility but

2814
01:51:51,030 --> 01:51:48,960
let's say that it's doing all of that

2815
01:51:53,030 --> 01:51:51,040
well you're a you're a new young

2816
01:51:55,430 --> 01:51:53,040
family you're you're two 22 year olds

2817
01:51:59,109 --> 01:51:55,440
right and you've decided to have a child

2818
01:51:59,910 --> 01:51:59,119
and it's 20 35 and we're at a point

2819
01:52:02,310 --> 01:51:59,920
where

2820
01:52:03,750 --> 01:52:02,320
we can make it come out with no need for

2821
01:52:05,589 --> 01:52:03,760
any vaccines because we've already

2822
01:52:06,950 --> 01:52:05,599
solved all those things genetically

2823
01:52:07,990 --> 01:52:06,960
at least the ones we know about right

2824
01:52:09,589 --> 01:52:08,000
you know just like we would with a

2825
01:52:11,430 --> 01:52:09,599
vaccine or anything else

2826
01:52:13,990 --> 01:52:11,440
um so you know we've just solved it

2827
01:52:16,310 --> 01:52:14,000
genetically but we also can improve its

2828
01:52:18,629 --> 01:52:16,320
you know it's lung capacity a little

2829
01:52:20,470 --> 01:52:18,639
it's the size of its brain a little it's

2830
01:52:22,070 --> 01:52:20,480
intelligence it's muscle mass you know

2831
01:52:23,750 --> 01:52:22,080
all these other fun things right

2832
01:52:25,430 --> 01:52:23,760
well so now you have a child and it's

2833
01:52:28,070 --> 01:52:25,440
three years old in uh

2834
01:52:29,589 --> 01:52:28,080
the end of 2038 right you've got your

2835
01:52:31,510 --> 01:52:29,599
your three-year-old right

2836
01:52:33,189 --> 01:52:31,520
and you've decided that a three-year-old

2837
01:52:35,750 --> 01:52:33,199
well this is a good time to have your

2838
01:52:37,990 --> 01:52:35,760
second child you want to build a family

2839
01:52:39,109 --> 01:52:38,000
well at that point with the type of

2840
01:52:40,629 --> 01:52:39,119
science we're going to

2841
01:52:42,149 --> 01:52:40,639
have and the speed it's going to be

2842
01:52:45,189 --> 01:52:42,159
going uh

2843
01:52:47,910 --> 01:52:45,199
your new child will be uh version

2844
01:52:49,669 --> 01:52:47,920
10.0 compared to the version 2.0 that

2845
01:52:52,070 --> 01:52:49,679
your first child is

2846
01:52:52,950 --> 01:52:52,080
um that's a really weird thing to think

2847
01:52:57,990 --> 01:52:52,960
about

2848
01:53:01,510 --> 01:52:58,000
these two children that are both yours

2849
01:53:04,870 --> 01:53:01,520
one that has so much more going for it

2850
01:53:07,589 --> 01:53:04,880
um how fair is that and do we want that

2851
01:53:08,229 --> 01:53:07,599
future um i kind of agree with him that

2852
01:53:10,470 --> 01:53:08,239
we don't

2853
01:53:12,310 --> 01:53:10,480
uh that doesn't sound like something i'm

2854
01:53:15,750 --> 01:53:12,320
prepared for no

2855
01:53:18,310 --> 01:53:15,760
and uh the the flip

2856
01:53:19,910 --> 01:53:18,320
side okay when you when you turn that

2857
01:53:21,990 --> 01:53:19,920
whole argument over

2858
01:53:23,189 --> 01:53:22,000
because you're right and with a moral

2859
01:53:25,750 --> 01:53:23,199
and ethical uh

2860
01:53:26,790 --> 01:53:25,760
position right and you can't mess with

2861
01:53:28,709 --> 01:53:26,800
mother nature

2862
01:53:30,229 --> 01:53:28,719
and what is going to happen uh

2863
01:53:33,270 --> 01:53:30,239
generationally

2864
01:53:34,550 --> 01:53:33,280
uh years on down the road with the scent

2865
01:53:36,470 --> 01:53:34,560
with the genetic

2866
01:53:38,310 --> 01:53:36,480
changes of markers that are implemented

2867
01:53:40,870 --> 01:53:38,320
in the genome in the dna

2868
01:53:42,790 --> 01:53:40,880
you don't know nature's been pretty good

2869
01:53:44,470 --> 01:53:42,800
by doing things on its own

2870
01:53:45,830 --> 01:53:44,480
right so there's that aspect but the

2871
01:53:48,790 --> 01:53:45,840
other part of it is

2872
01:53:50,550 --> 01:53:48,800
if you push things uh a thousand years

2873
01:53:53,350 --> 01:53:50,560
out into the future

2874
01:53:55,750 --> 01:53:53,360
that maybe these developments uh are

2875
01:53:59,750 --> 01:53:55,760
gonna be part of the distant past

2876
01:54:01,669 --> 01:53:59,760
how much of it will be actual humans

2877
01:54:03,510 --> 01:54:01,679
right we're talking about transhumanist

2878
01:54:05,270 --> 01:54:03,520
things body parts that are slowly

2879
01:54:09,350 --> 01:54:05,280
replaced over time

2880
01:54:10,629 --> 01:54:09,360
where you eventually achieve a status of

2881
01:54:13,030 --> 01:54:10,639
immortality

2882
01:54:15,270 --> 01:54:13,040
and that same genome manipulation that

2883
01:54:18,470 --> 01:54:15,280
you're talking about right now

2884
01:54:20,790 --> 01:54:18,480
may start extending life right

2885
01:54:22,149 --> 01:54:20,800
in the next 10 years or 20 years the

2886
01:54:24,470 --> 01:54:22,159
people that are 20 years

2887
01:54:26,390 --> 01:54:24,480
old right now they have a good chance of

2888
01:54:28,629 --> 01:54:26,400
living to 200.

2889
01:54:30,470 --> 01:54:28,639
they do uh we're we're close on a lot of

2890
01:54:33,589 --> 01:54:30,480
those issues already i mean right

2891
01:54:34,470 --> 01:54:33,599
uh the uh the organization that uh

2892
01:54:37,750 --> 01:54:34,480
google's uh

2893
01:54:39,430 --> 01:54:37,760
co-founders started uh has been working

2894
01:54:42,149 --> 01:54:39,440
on what they kind of consider the

2895
01:54:42,790 --> 01:54:42,159
seven factors uh that leads to our aging

2896
01:54:45,109 --> 01:54:42,800
because

2897
01:54:46,870 --> 01:54:45,119
our body does it to itself it doesn't uh

2898
01:54:47,910 --> 01:54:46,880
it doesn't have to age if it doesn't

2899
01:54:50,070 --> 01:54:47,920
want to

2900
01:54:52,629 --> 01:54:50,080
um the chemical reactions that cause

2901
01:54:54,629 --> 01:54:52,639
aging the slowdown and the reproduction

2902
01:54:57,830 --> 01:54:54,639
of certain types of cells

2903
01:54:58,629 --> 01:54:57,840
um is all it's all built into how we

2904
01:55:01,589 --> 01:54:58,639
evolved

2905
01:55:02,229 --> 01:55:01,599
and uh so they are solvable solutions

2906
01:55:04,149 --> 01:55:02,239
like

2907
01:55:05,669 --> 01:55:04,159
the the newest one that's really been

2908
01:55:06,629 --> 01:55:05,679
solved and then we don't have a solution

2909
01:55:08,950 --> 01:55:06,639
to actually

2910
01:55:09,990 --> 01:55:08,960
fix it yet but we know what the problem

2911
01:55:13,350 --> 01:55:10,000
is now is

2912
01:55:16,229 --> 01:55:13,360
uh the barrier for age you know you'll

2913
01:55:16,950 --> 01:55:16,239
see the random 114 year old that made it

2914
01:55:19,990 --> 01:55:16,960
and

2915
01:55:21,750 --> 01:55:20,000
the unbelievably rare 115 year old but

2916
01:55:23,589 --> 01:55:21,760
the average for someone who just doesn't

2917
01:55:24,709 --> 01:55:23,599
go of earlier natural causes or

2918
01:55:27,830 --> 01:55:24,719
something worse

2919
01:55:30,470 --> 01:55:27,840
is between 110 and 113

2920
01:55:31,990 --> 01:55:30,480
and they actually have come up with

2921
01:55:35,030 --> 01:55:32,000
where that number comes from

2922
01:55:37,350 --> 01:55:35,040
and why and the answer to that is

2923
01:55:38,390 --> 01:55:37,360
you have a certain type of stem cell in

2924
01:55:42,070 --> 01:55:38,400
your body

2925
01:55:44,070 --> 01:55:42,080
that creates red blood cells and each

2926
01:55:46,229 --> 01:55:44,080
one of those stem cells can only create

2927
01:55:47,910 --> 01:55:46,239
so many you start out with somewhere i

2928
01:55:48,870 --> 01:55:47,920
think the number was like 20 000 of

2929
01:55:51,910 --> 01:55:48,880
these that's right

2930
01:55:53,430 --> 01:55:51,920
and as they die off uh new ones

2931
01:55:54,950 --> 01:55:53,440
activate that we're sitting there

2932
01:55:57,430 --> 01:55:54,960
dormant but you have

2933
01:55:59,109 --> 01:55:57,440
less of a right you have less of a

2934
01:56:01,589 --> 01:55:59,119
replication number

2935
01:56:03,589 --> 01:56:01,599
and that continues to degrade until it

2936
01:56:04,629 --> 01:56:03,599
gets you run out you get to zero you're

2937
01:56:06,149 --> 01:56:04,639
out of chips

2938
01:56:07,830 --> 01:56:06,159
and and you're no longer creating

2939
01:56:10,390 --> 01:56:07,840
healthy red blood cells right

2940
01:56:11,189 --> 01:56:10,400
and so all you have to do then is

2941
01:56:14,470 --> 01:56:11,199
genetically

2942
01:56:17,830 --> 01:56:14,480
recreate those specific stem cells

2943
01:56:20,709 --> 01:56:17,840
and the 110 to 113 age barrier

2944
01:56:22,310 --> 01:56:20,719
is gone and then you've got to work on

2945
01:56:24,149 --> 01:56:22,320
the brain and the wonderful

2946
01:56:26,149 --> 01:56:24,159
signals it sends out to pieces of the

2947
01:56:27,350 --> 01:56:26,159
body that it's time for you to stop

2948
01:56:29,189 --> 01:56:27,360
regenerating

2949
01:56:30,550 --> 01:56:29,199
uh because it does that there's multiple

2950
01:56:33,189 --> 01:56:30,560
different signals it sends out

2951
01:56:33,910 --> 01:56:33,199
telling things not to regenerate anymore

2952
01:56:35,750 --> 01:56:33,920
and uh

2953
01:56:37,510 --> 01:56:35,760
those are chemical signals we can turn

2954
01:56:38,950 --> 01:56:37,520
them off try to figure out how to turn

2955
01:56:42,470 --> 01:56:38,960
them off safely so

2956
01:56:45,589 --> 01:56:42,480
aging is gonna i think be solved easier

2957
01:56:47,189 --> 01:56:45,599
than agi is no i think we're right there

2958
01:56:49,669 --> 01:56:47,199
i was listening to

2959
01:56:51,189 --> 01:56:49,679
a couple of biologists uh talk about

2960
01:56:54,310 --> 01:56:51,199
this the other day

2961
01:56:56,149 --> 01:56:54,320
and i was fascinated with the research

2962
01:56:58,149 --> 01:56:56,159
and the one where they were like we we

2963
01:57:00,790 --> 01:56:58,159
got the aha moment

2964
01:57:01,589 --> 01:57:00,800
right we've got a number it's very

2965
01:57:03,589 --> 01:57:01,599
specific

2966
01:57:05,430 --> 01:57:03,599
and we know that red blood cell

2967
01:57:08,229 --> 01:57:05,440
replication

2968
01:57:09,189 --> 01:57:08,239
has an absolute drop dead point

2969
01:57:11,430 --> 01:57:09,199
genetically

2970
01:57:12,470 --> 01:57:11,440
in the dna it says you're not

2971
01:57:15,830 --> 01:57:12,480
reproducing

2972
01:57:16,310 --> 01:57:15,840
anymore that's it and that's where it's

2973
01:57:19,189 --> 01:57:16,320
at

2974
01:57:20,070 --> 01:57:19,199
now they have to backtrack and and flip

2975
01:57:22,310 --> 01:57:20,080
that switch

2976
01:57:23,510 --> 01:57:22,320
from one direction to the other and it

2977
01:57:26,390 --> 01:57:23,520
could be

2978
01:57:27,510 --> 01:57:26,400
to the infinite right where the red

2979
01:57:30,870 --> 01:57:27,520
blood cells will

2980
01:57:31,830 --> 01:57:30,880
always regenerate forever you just turn

2981
01:57:34,310 --> 01:57:31,840
it off

2982
01:57:36,310 --> 01:57:34,320
it's fascinating i mean you you have to

2983
01:57:38,390 --> 01:57:36,320
replace those stem cells at a rate where

2984
01:57:39,030 --> 01:57:38,400
you're not replacing too many of them so

2985
01:57:41,030 --> 01:57:39,040
like you

2986
01:57:42,390 --> 01:57:41,040
just you know cancerous style you know

2987
01:57:43,910 --> 01:57:42,400
over generate

2988
01:57:45,430 --> 01:57:43,920
so you've got to do something that you

2989
01:57:48,629 --> 01:57:45,440
know replaces them

2990
01:57:49,030 --> 01:57:48,639
over time or makes them last longer or

2991
01:57:51,669 --> 01:57:49,040
you know

2992
01:57:53,109 --> 01:57:51,679
something along those lines but that's

2993
01:57:55,510 --> 01:57:53,119
the type of science we've done to the

2994
01:57:58,310 --> 01:57:55,520
human body in multiple ways already

2995
01:58:00,470 --> 01:57:58,320
and uh so that that's not going to be

2996
01:58:02,070 --> 01:58:00,480
that complex of a problem now that they

2997
01:58:03,510 --> 01:58:02,080
understand it they've just got to do the

2998
01:58:05,990 --> 01:58:03,520
work to solve it

2999
01:58:07,430 --> 01:58:06,000
um it's a solvable thing the problem is

3000
01:58:10,629 --> 01:58:07,440
is that it's one of like

3001
01:58:11,830 --> 01:58:10,639
seven heavy factors right and according

3002
01:58:14,070 --> 01:58:11,840
to the google people

3003
01:58:15,510 --> 01:58:14,080
they've solved like three of the seven

3004
01:58:17,430 --> 01:58:15,520
and yeah

3005
01:58:18,550 --> 01:58:17,440
that's crazy to me for one that they're

3006
01:58:20,149 --> 01:58:18,560
already you know there

3007
01:58:21,990 --> 01:58:20,159
but uh there are other groups that are

3008
01:58:24,229 --> 01:58:22,000
working the same problems and

3009
01:58:25,910 --> 01:58:24,239
they've solved at least one if not two

3010
01:58:27,910 --> 01:58:25,920
on their own as well so

3011
01:58:29,350 --> 01:58:27,920
again i mean aging is going to be a

3012
01:58:31,910 --> 01:58:29,360
thing that is probably

3013
01:58:33,109 --> 01:58:31,920
solved in some way in the next 20 years

3014
01:58:36,470 --> 01:58:33,119
i still think agi

3015
01:58:38,470 --> 01:58:36,480
is probably also about that long off

3016
01:58:39,750 --> 01:58:38,480
well i don't know that agi itself and

3017
01:58:41,589 --> 01:58:39,760
artificial intelligence and the

3018
01:58:42,310 --> 01:58:41,599
singularity is what solves that for us i

3019
01:58:44,790 --> 01:58:42,320
think

3020
01:58:46,390 --> 01:58:44,800
we might get there before that well with

3021
01:58:48,709 --> 01:58:46,400
uh the calculation

3022
01:58:50,070 --> 01:58:48,719
speed it's certainly processing speed

3023
01:58:52,870 --> 01:58:50,080
and computing speed is

3024
01:58:55,350 --> 01:58:52,880
is continuing to increase it's at a

3025
01:58:58,070 --> 01:58:55,360
slower rate but it's still there

3026
01:58:58,709 --> 01:58:58,080
and it's not going to slow down but but

3027
01:59:01,270 --> 01:58:58,719
coding

3028
01:59:02,070 --> 01:59:01,280
and the interconnection of computers and

3029
01:59:05,510 --> 01:59:02,080
creating

3030
01:59:08,310 --> 01:59:05,520
uh more uh instructions

3031
01:59:09,430 --> 01:59:08,320
is something that once we get to ag or

3032
01:59:12,310 --> 01:59:09,440
ai

3033
01:59:12,790 --> 01:59:12,320
or super uh artificial intelligence

3034
01:59:15,430 --> 01:59:12,800
won't we

3035
01:59:17,350 --> 01:59:15,440
once we get there it's the calculations

3036
01:59:20,550 --> 01:59:17,360
that are needed for chemistry

3037
01:59:22,229 --> 01:59:20,560
for biology and and for genetics and the

3038
01:59:25,750 --> 01:59:22,239
genome and dna

3039
01:59:28,390 --> 01:59:25,760
that you need with ai to solve

3040
01:59:30,229 --> 01:59:28,400
all of the diseases and medical issues

3041
01:59:31,109 --> 01:59:30,239
that are confronting us and that is one

3042
01:59:34,470 --> 01:59:31,119
of the benefits

3043
01:59:36,470 --> 01:59:34,480
of uh ai yeah

3044
01:59:37,990 --> 01:59:36,480
uh i mean again the one thing you're

3045
01:59:40,070 --> 01:59:38,000
going to get out of uh

3046
01:59:41,669 --> 01:59:40,080
you know ai and agi that you know we're

3047
01:59:42,790 --> 01:59:41,679
just not going to be able to do to

3048
01:59:44,709 --> 01:59:42,800
ourselves is

3049
01:59:46,470 --> 01:59:44,719
the speed at which it can go through

3050
01:59:47,910 --> 01:59:46,480
data and find patterns and find

3051
01:59:49,990 --> 01:59:47,920
correlations and

3052
01:59:52,070 --> 01:59:50,000
come up with uh you know other things

3053
01:59:53,109 --> 01:59:52,080
such as a drug or something that matches

3054
01:59:54,709 --> 01:59:53,119
those patterns

3055
01:59:56,950 --> 01:59:54,719
that we would have never seen in that

3056
01:59:58,390 --> 01:59:56,960
data um it's going to be able to do

3057
01:59:59,910 --> 01:59:58,400
some amazing stuff that we're never

3058
02:00:01,350 --> 01:59:59,920
going to be able to do let's take our

3059
02:00:01,830 --> 02:00:01,360
break right here our guest tonight greg

3060
02:00:03,830 --> 02:00:01,840
house

3061
02:00:05,350 --> 02:00:03,840
the one and only we're talking about

3062
02:00:08,070 --> 02:00:05,360
artificial intelligence

3063
02:00:09,830 --> 02:00:08,080
and the singularity you can follow me on

3064
02:00:10,229 --> 02:00:09,840
twitter at j church radio you can follow

3065
02:00:13,750 --> 02:00:10,239
greg

3066
02:00:20,709 --> 02:00:13,760
house

3067
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welcome back fade to black i am your

3187
02:05:40,390 --> 02:05:39,280
host jimmy church our guest tonight greg

3188
02:05:42,470 --> 02:05:40,400
house

3189
02:05:44,550 --> 02:05:42,480
talking about artificial intelligence

3190
02:05:47,910 --> 02:05:44,560
and the singularity

3191
02:05:48,550 --> 02:05:47,920
and right now there's another twist the

3192
02:05:52,310 --> 02:05:48,560
to this

3193
02:05:53,750 --> 02:05:52,320
entire conversation that i i want to uh

3194
02:05:57,109 --> 02:05:53,760
start to explore greg

3195
02:06:00,470 --> 02:05:57,119
and and that is this i believe that

3196
02:06:02,069 --> 02:06:00,480
there are some very rich people in the

3197
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silicon valley

3198
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that know something that you and i don't

3199
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and they can afford

3200
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to explore ideas and

3201
02:06:18,790 --> 02:06:14,520
one of those for me is the question of

3202
02:06:21,990 --> 02:06:18,800
immortality and and uploading

3203
02:06:25,030 --> 02:06:22,000
one's mind onto a hard drive

3204
02:06:28,149 --> 02:06:25,040
to live forever and and

3205
02:06:31,189 --> 02:06:28,159
and live in that existence

3206
02:06:33,669 --> 02:06:31,199
and now and consciousness comes uh a

3207
02:06:37,750 --> 02:06:33,679
part of this question too as well

3208
02:06:40,550 --> 02:06:37,760
do you see this as being a reality

3209
02:06:43,589 --> 02:06:40,560
i have many questions about it but let's

3210
02:06:49,109 --> 02:06:47,270
uh it's a question of time um

3211
02:06:50,950 --> 02:06:49,119
you know we still can't even build a

3212
02:06:52,709 --> 02:06:50,960
machine that maps out the neurons

3213
02:06:53,350 --> 02:06:52,719
properly as we talked about earlier with

3214
02:06:56,870 --> 02:06:53,360
the brain

3215
02:06:58,069 --> 02:06:56,880
uh you know project so it's a question

3216
02:07:00,470 --> 02:06:58,079
of time once they get

3217
02:07:02,870 --> 02:07:00,480
that solved and they can actually map a

3218
02:07:05,589 --> 02:07:02,880
human's neurons and build out

3219
02:07:06,310 --> 02:07:05,599
uh a system that actually works the same

3220
02:07:09,430 --> 02:07:06,320
as

3221
02:07:10,229 --> 02:07:09,440
uh those neurons then then we're in a

3222
02:07:12,069 --> 02:07:10,239
much different

3223
02:07:13,669 --> 02:07:12,079
place in this conversation and for the

3224
02:07:15,589 --> 02:07:13,679
answer as for whether they know

3225
02:07:17,430 --> 02:07:15,599
something i don't i mean

3226
02:07:19,270 --> 02:07:17,440
i'm poor as hell sitting at home here in

3227
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a house i can't afford rent on and

3228
02:07:22,229 --> 02:07:20,480
they're billionaires

3229
02:07:23,510 --> 02:07:22,239
so they they damn well do know something

3230
02:07:26,149 --> 02:07:23,520
i don't

3231
02:07:26,709 --> 02:07:26,159
um but uh you know that's a whole nother

3232
02:07:28,069 --> 02:07:26,719
story

3233
02:07:29,830 --> 02:07:28,079
um i think they're just better at

3234
02:07:32,310 --> 02:07:29,840
capitalism than i am

3235
02:07:35,990 --> 02:07:32,320
that game that makes two of us but uh

3236
02:07:39,109 --> 02:07:36,000
are memories just ones and zeroes

3237
02:07:40,950 --> 02:07:39,119
right is it is it just binary is it just

3238
02:07:42,709 --> 02:07:40,960
a way to store it in your wonderful

3239
02:07:44,229 --> 02:07:42,719
little brain there so i'm sure it's

3240
02:07:46,550 --> 02:07:44,239
something similar to that

3241
02:07:47,750 --> 02:07:46,560
uh and we'll figure it out and map it

3242
02:07:51,189 --> 02:07:47,760
now uh

3243
02:07:53,990 --> 02:07:51,199
michio kaku was on this show uh

3244
02:07:55,350 --> 02:07:54,000
many years ago but he does his face is

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one of my favorite books

3246
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yeah man and uh well anyway he um

3247
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he said one thing on this show that

3248
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uh shook me and he said

3249
02:08:09,990 --> 02:08:09,280
that darpa now this is coming from

3250
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michio

3251
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not for me he said that darpa has

3252
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already downloaded

3253
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dreams darpa has already

3254
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downloaded memory

3255
02:08:31,910 --> 02:08:28,400
and that that neural connection

3256
02:08:33,430 --> 02:08:31,920
is a matter of fact now

3257
02:08:35,669 --> 02:08:33,440
this is something that has not been

3258
02:08:36,790 --> 02:08:35,679
confirmed it's been rumored and talked

3259
02:08:39,430 --> 02:08:36,800
about

3260
02:08:40,390 --> 02:08:39,440
but if that's the case where are these

3261
02:08:43,750 --> 02:08:40,400
memories

3262
02:08:47,750 --> 02:08:43,760
being stored and how is

3263
02:08:49,030 --> 02:08:47,760
the code written to have communication

3264
02:08:52,870 --> 02:08:49,040
between

3265
02:08:55,589 --> 02:08:52,880
the brain and the neuron network and

3266
02:08:56,390 --> 02:08:55,599
through an interface and then finally

3267
02:09:01,430 --> 02:08:56,400
onto

3268
02:09:04,390 --> 02:09:02,950
yeah i mean i think we're going to get

3269
02:09:05,669 --> 02:09:04,400
there and i think they're going to be

3270
02:09:08,229 --> 02:09:05,679
the first ones to do it

3271
02:09:09,189 --> 02:09:08,239
the question is will it be done in a way

3272
02:09:10,790 --> 02:09:09,199
in which uh

3273
02:09:14,790 --> 02:09:10,800
you know the normal people ever get

3274
02:09:16,550 --> 02:09:14,800
access to it now and this is where

3275
02:09:18,310 --> 02:09:16,560
this is where i think the conversation

3276
02:09:21,510 --> 02:09:18,320
is flawed

3277
02:09:23,109 --> 02:09:21,520
where the assumption is

3278
02:09:24,629 --> 02:09:23,119
for the lay person out there for

3279
02:09:26,709 --> 02:09:24,639
somebody that's listening to this and

3280
02:09:30,229 --> 02:09:26,719
reading great science fiction

3281
02:09:31,510 --> 02:09:30,239
is that bill gates i'm just saying bill

3282
02:09:34,229 --> 02:09:31,520
gates i'm not saying bill gates

3283
02:09:37,030 --> 02:09:34,239
specifically but let's say bill gates

3284
02:09:37,910 --> 02:09:37,040
uh uh uploads one of the 10 richest

3285
02:09:41,270 --> 02:09:37,920
people in the world

3286
02:09:44,310 --> 02:09:41,280
that's right right he uploads his

3287
02:09:47,189 --> 02:09:44,320
brain onto a hard drive

3288
02:09:47,589 --> 02:09:47,199
and now and it's where it's successful

3289
02:09:51,030 --> 02:09:47,599
right

3290
02:09:54,310 --> 02:09:51,040
okay but that isn't

3291
02:09:57,510 --> 02:09:54,320
bill gates that's a different

3292
02:09:58,149 --> 02:09:57,520
bill gates bill gates the living bill

3293
02:10:02,390 --> 02:09:58,159
gates

3294
02:10:05,430 --> 02:10:02,400
isn't experiencing the world of tron

3295
02:10:08,709 --> 02:10:05,440
his twin is right

3296
02:10:10,470 --> 02:10:08,719
he's not immortal

3297
02:10:11,910 --> 02:10:10,480
bill gates is still sitting in front of

3298
02:10:14,310 --> 02:10:11,920
you in a chair

3299
02:10:16,189 --> 02:10:14,320
there is a second bill gates that is

3300
02:10:17,669 --> 02:10:16,199
often running creating its own

3301
02:10:20,390 --> 02:10:17,679
experiences

3302
02:10:22,470 --> 02:10:20,400
and its own life two independent things

3303
02:10:26,069 --> 02:10:22,480
you don't get to experience

3304
02:10:30,950 --> 02:10:29,030
uh sure i mean you know if it's a copy

3305
02:10:33,109 --> 02:10:30,960
it's a copy right if it's uh

3306
02:10:35,030 --> 02:10:33,119
uh dying man's last wish and you know

3307
02:10:36,310 --> 02:10:35,040
that one starts up and this one dies

3308
02:10:38,149 --> 02:10:36,320
then you know that that's a different

3309
02:10:39,990 --> 02:10:38,159
story there is only one

3310
02:10:41,350 --> 02:10:40,000
but uh if you make a copy and you're

3311
02:10:43,350 --> 02:10:41,360
both there well of course

3312
02:10:44,790 --> 02:10:43,360
for one you are you know the sum of your

3313
02:10:46,229 --> 02:10:44,800
experiences right and your your

3314
02:10:49,030 --> 02:10:46,239
experiences are

3315
02:10:49,990 --> 02:10:49,040
entirely uh built around the environment

3316
02:10:52,390 --> 02:10:50,000
you have them in

3317
02:10:54,629 --> 02:10:52,400
so whatever they might have been at the

3318
02:10:56,629 --> 02:10:54,639
same time that the copy was made

3319
02:10:58,310 --> 02:10:56,639
it will not be long before they are

3320
02:10:59,750 --> 02:10:58,320
indeed two distinct entities with

3321
02:11:01,510 --> 02:10:59,760
different experiences

3322
02:11:03,270 --> 02:11:01,520
one just based on the simple fact that

3323
02:11:04,390 --> 02:11:03,280
they are in entirely different

3324
02:11:06,470 --> 02:11:04,400
environments

3325
02:11:08,390 --> 02:11:06,480
that allow them to think uh through

3326
02:11:11,830 --> 02:11:08,400
issues entirely differently

3327
02:11:12,310 --> 02:11:11,840
now and your memories are there okay for

3328
02:11:15,510 --> 02:11:12,320
sure

3329
02:11:17,669 --> 02:11:15,520
right the brain's been offloaded but the

3330
02:11:20,470 --> 02:11:17,679
consciousness

3331
02:11:23,109 --> 02:11:20,480
is that transferred is the evil

3332
02:11:26,390 --> 02:11:23,119
tyrannical

3333
02:11:29,430 --> 02:11:26,400
bill gates running amok uh in

3334
02:11:32,229 --> 02:11:29,440
in a computer network or

3335
02:11:33,270 --> 02:11:32,239
is it not right have you created

3336
02:11:36,310 --> 02:11:33,280
lawnmower man

3337
02:11:39,830 --> 02:11:37,830
right i mean that that's the

3338
02:11:42,390 --> 02:11:39,840
consideration here does consciousness

3339
02:11:44,870 --> 02:11:42,400
transfer with memory

3340
02:11:45,910 --> 02:11:44,880
i mean give me a good definition of

3341
02:11:47,189 --> 02:11:45,920
consciousness and

3342
02:11:48,950 --> 02:11:47,199
i'll try and answer the question after

3343
02:11:52,390 --> 02:11:48,960
that yeah

3344
02:11:55,669 --> 02:11:52,400
i mean no can consciousness be coded

3345
02:11:58,790 --> 02:11:55,679
right i mean that's

3346
02:12:00,229 --> 02:11:58,800
that's the thing so when when everybody

3347
02:12:03,350 --> 02:12:00,239
talks about this evil

3348
02:12:06,390 --> 02:12:03,360
idea of uh uploading

3349
02:12:10,310 --> 02:12:06,400
uh the evil idea of greg house being

3350
02:12:13,350 --> 02:12:10,320
uploaded into a robot right okay

3351
02:12:16,709 --> 02:12:13,360
is the evil consciousness

3352
02:12:23,189 --> 02:12:16,719
of of greg house also

3353
02:12:27,589 --> 02:12:26,310
oh greg is texting greg is tweeting did

3354
02:12:29,350 --> 02:12:27,599
you just tweet

3355
02:12:31,589 --> 02:12:29,360
you got so awesome i'm actually talking

3356
02:12:33,270 --> 02:12:31,599
to your fans in your chat

3357
02:12:34,870 --> 02:12:33,280
oh is that where you're at you're in the

3358
02:12:37,350 --> 02:12:34,880
chat room yeah

3359
02:12:38,629 --> 02:12:37,360
on youtube oh you're on youtube okay

3360
02:12:38,950 --> 02:12:38,639
hello i don't know where the other chat

3361
02:12:40,709 --> 02:12:38,960
is

3362
02:12:42,470 --> 02:12:40,719
oh yeah we've got we've got three or

3363
02:12:43,750 --> 02:12:42,480
four chat rooms but uh

3364
02:12:46,069 --> 02:12:43,760
i need to get one of those systems that

3365
02:12:49,109 --> 02:12:46,079
brings them all together into one oh man

3366
02:12:50,470 --> 02:12:49,119
i don't know about that stuff i mean

3367
02:12:52,390 --> 02:12:50,480
according to your chat you also can't

3368
02:12:54,149 --> 02:12:52,400
get anything into sync but uh

3369
02:12:55,669 --> 02:12:54,159
i i can't tell cause i hear it like

3370
02:12:58,310 --> 02:12:55,679
seconds before it goes out on the video

3371
02:13:01,430 --> 02:13:00,790
uh we're in sync i'm not worried about

3372
02:13:03,990 --> 02:13:01,440
that

3373
02:13:04,950 --> 02:13:04,000
but uh so let's stay on this for a

3374
02:13:08,229 --> 02:13:04,960
second

3375
02:13:11,830 --> 02:13:08,239
sure you know what i mean if if you

3376
02:13:12,310 --> 02:13:11,840
are if you make the choice to go ahead

3377
02:13:15,750 --> 02:13:12,320
and go

3378
02:13:18,950 --> 02:13:15,760
forward with this is it

3379
02:13:22,229 --> 02:13:21,430
is it you i mean i think it's you

3380
02:13:24,709 --> 02:13:22,239
initially

3381
02:13:26,310 --> 02:13:24,719
like for for all of you know a split

3382
02:13:28,149 --> 02:13:26,320
second

3383
02:13:29,589 --> 02:13:28,159
right hey i'm talking about your

3384
02:13:30,390 --> 02:13:29,599
consciousness whatever that thing

3385
02:13:32,790 --> 02:13:30,400
becomes

3386
02:13:34,790 --> 02:13:32,800
i'm talking about your consciousness you

3387
02:13:37,030 --> 02:13:34,800
know sure but again

3388
02:13:38,550 --> 02:13:37,040
as i've said earlier like i i just i

3389
02:13:40,629 --> 02:13:38,560
have no idea what a consciousness

3390
02:13:42,229 --> 02:13:40,639
is and either does science if they're

3391
02:13:43,030 --> 02:13:42,239
being honest with themselves because

3392
02:13:44,550 --> 02:13:43,040
again you know

3393
02:13:46,470 --> 02:13:44,560
there are entire documentaries that just

3394
02:13:47,750 --> 02:13:46,480
talk about consciousness and what we

3395
02:13:50,149 --> 02:13:47,760
believe it to be

3396
02:13:51,669 --> 02:13:50,159
and they do the whole wonderful fade out

3397
02:13:52,550 --> 02:13:51,679
fade in with the next person they put

3398
02:13:54,069 --> 02:13:52,560
their name and

3399
02:13:55,830 --> 02:13:54,079
you know what college or company they

3400
02:13:57,430 --> 02:13:55,840
work for underneath of them and

3401
02:13:59,109 --> 02:13:57,440
every single one of them say a different

3402
02:14:00,790 --> 02:13:59,119
thing and these are documentaries from

3403
02:14:01,510 --> 02:14:00,800
only the last couple years we're still

3404
02:14:04,550 --> 02:14:01,520
there

3405
02:14:05,990 --> 02:14:04,560
so who knows i mean at this point who

3406
02:14:09,270 --> 02:14:06,000
knows

3407
02:14:12,709 --> 02:14:09,280
and and with that

3408
02:14:13,189 --> 02:14:12,719
if we are going to do something like and

3409
02:14:15,510 --> 02:14:13,199
we

3410
02:14:17,910 --> 02:14:15,520
touched upon this very briefly earlier

3411
02:14:20,310 --> 02:14:17,920
but if we're going to go interstellar

3412
02:14:21,990 --> 02:14:20,320
if we are truly going to do that if et

3413
02:14:24,149 --> 02:14:22,000
is visiting here and i want to talk to

3414
02:14:27,030 --> 02:14:24,159
you about ufos in just a second

3415
02:14:29,350 --> 02:14:27,040
if et is getting here we're probably not

3416
02:14:32,550 --> 02:14:29,360
seeing something biological

3417
02:14:33,030 --> 02:14:32,560
if it's truly traveling at the speed of

3418
02:14:35,910 --> 02:14:33,040
light

3419
02:14:37,910 --> 02:14:35,920
from like you said andromeda which is 2

3420
02:14:43,669 --> 02:14:37,920
million light years away

3421
02:14:45,669 --> 02:14:43,679
anything biological that is getting here

3422
02:14:47,270 --> 02:14:45,679
unless they have something else that is

3423
02:14:48,870 --> 02:14:47,280
folding space and they get here in a

3424
02:14:49,910 --> 02:14:48,880
couple of seconds that's another issue

3425
02:14:51,510 --> 02:14:49,920
altogether

3426
02:14:53,350 --> 02:14:51,520
but if you're going to travel the stars

3427
02:14:55,270 --> 02:14:53,360
if you're going to go interstellar

3428
02:14:57,510 --> 02:14:55,280
what's controlling those ships is

3429
02:15:00,310 --> 02:14:57,520
artificial intelligence

3430
02:15:01,270 --> 02:15:00,320
the first version of us that e.t meets

3431
02:15:04,470 --> 02:15:01,280
is the ai

3432
02:15:05,350 --> 02:15:04,480
version of ourselves maybe but i mean

3433
02:15:07,109 --> 02:15:05,360
you also have to

3434
02:15:09,510 --> 02:15:07,119
assume that if they've got uh something

3435
02:15:11,669 --> 02:15:09,520
strong enough to bring those ships here

3436
02:15:13,109 --> 02:15:11,679
across that distance uh then they've

3437
02:15:14,790 --> 02:15:13,119
probably solved uh uh

3438
02:15:16,550 --> 02:15:14,800
cryogenics a little and maybe they do

3439
02:15:19,270 --> 02:15:16,560
have a few of themselves frozen

3440
02:15:21,270 --> 02:15:19,280
who knows uh again that's a whole other

3441
02:15:23,270 --> 02:15:21,280
thing though where you've got you know

3442
02:15:24,950 --> 02:15:23,280
the star trek and star wars kind of idea

3443
02:15:28,069 --> 02:15:24,960
of what the universe looks like where

3444
02:15:29,510 --> 02:15:28,079
other life forms have to be like us

3445
02:15:31,350 --> 02:15:29,520
they have to i mean they don't have to

3446
02:15:34,229 --> 02:15:31,360
be bipadal but uh

3447
02:15:34,870 --> 02:15:34,239
you know they they form the way we do uh

3448
02:15:37,750 --> 02:15:34,880
you know i

3449
02:15:39,350 --> 02:15:37,760
and i i'm just not going to ascribe to

3450
02:15:41,750 --> 02:15:39,360
that necessity

3451
02:15:43,270 --> 02:15:41,760
uh we might not know another

3452
02:15:45,990 --> 02:15:43,280
intelligence when we see it

3453
02:15:47,830 --> 02:15:46,000
simply because it has evolved in a way

3454
02:15:51,270 --> 02:15:47,840
on a planet in an environment

3455
02:15:54,310 --> 02:15:51,280
where it is entirely foreign to us

3456
02:15:54,790 --> 02:15:54,320
not just foreign as in i don't speak you

3457
02:15:57,750 --> 02:15:54,800
know

3458
02:15:59,109 --> 02:15:57,760
solid mandarin but truly foreign in that

3459
02:16:02,390 --> 02:15:59,119
we don't understand

3460
02:16:05,109 --> 02:16:02,400
that as intelligence uh so who knows

3461
02:16:07,430 --> 02:16:05,119
yeah and with artificial intelligence i

3462
02:16:08,069 --> 02:16:07,440
i was actually going star trek and you

3463
02:16:10,709 --> 02:16:08,079
said it

3464
02:16:13,589 --> 02:16:10,719
see that that right there by the way

3465
02:16:15,830 --> 02:16:13,599
that's the universe and entanglement

3466
02:16:17,189 --> 02:16:15,840
causing us to be connected right now

3467
02:16:18,790 --> 02:16:17,199
that was amazing

3468
02:16:20,709 --> 02:16:18,800
i was going star trek i was going

3469
02:16:25,430 --> 02:16:20,719
teleporter because

3470
02:16:27,990 --> 02:16:25,440
if anything like that is successful

3471
02:16:29,669 --> 02:16:28,000
artificial intelligence and that kind of

3472
02:16:32,230 --> 02:16:29,679
computing power

3473
02:16:33,509 --> 02:16:32,240
has to be in play for those kinds of

3474
02:16:35,509 --> 02:16:33,519
calculations

3475
02:16:37,830 --> 02:16:35,519
it can't be anything simple the

3476
02:16:40,870 --> 02:16:37,840
teleporter isn't actually like

3477
02:16:44,230 --> 02:16:40,880
sending a human it's it's

3478
02:16:47,429 --> 02:16:44,240
destroying a human while while reading

3479
02:16:49,910 --> 02:16:47,439
that human and then rebuilding

3480
02:16:51,429 --> 02:16:49,920
that human on the other end out of you

3481
02:16:54,230 --> 02:16:51,439
know brand new molecules

3482
02:16:54,709 --> 02:16:54,240
that did not make up that human before

3483
02:16:59,270 --> 02:16:54,719
uh

3484
02:17:02,230 --> 02:16:59,280
works is interesting there's a few

3485
02:17:03,669 --> 02:17:02,240
really fun uh ethical studies on how

3486
02:17:04,549 --> 02:17:03,679
technically the person hitting the

3487
02:17:07,030 --> 02:17:04,559
button

3488
02:17:08,309 --> 02:17:07,040
is murdering one human to make a clone

3489
02:17:10,870 --> 02:17:08,319
of that human

3490
02:17:11,910 --> 02:17:10,880
um so i've always found that type of

3491
02:17:15,110 --> 02:17:11,920
stuff fun to read

3492
02:17:18,389 --> 02:17:15,120
do you have uh

3493
02:17:20,070 --> 02:17:18,399
oh let me ask you this teleportation is

3494
02:17:22,790 --> 02:17:20,080
real

3495
02:17:24,150 --> 02:17:22,800
do you use it i mean do you teleport

3496
02:17:27,429 --> 02:17:24,160
yourself

3497
02:17:29,830 --> 02:17:27,439
do you take that chance okay

3498
02:17:30,709 --> 02:17:29,840
so so teleportation exists am i the

3499
02:17:32,870 --> 02:17:30,719
first one through

3500
02:17:33,990 --> 02:17:32,880
no but you know i won't mind being the

3501
02:17:37,190 --> 02:17:34,000
hundredth one through

3502
02:17:39,429 --> 02:17:37,200
you you would do it yeah ah man i

3503
02:17:41,349 --> 02:17:39,439
i just don't know if i would again like

3504
02:17:43,110 --> 02:17:41,359
i said i'm not i'm not an early adopter

3505
02:17:45,349 --> 02:17:43,120
on that one

3506
02:17:47,509 --> 02:17:45,359
with your new new computer game in beta

3507
02:17:51,030 --> 02:17:47,519
yeah but i'm not teleporting in beta

3508
02:17:51,910 --> 02:17:51,040
i've i've seen galaxy quest and i i

3509
02:17:55,270 --> 02:17:51,920
believe it

3510
02:17:57,509 --> 02:17:55,280
here's the other thing

3511
02:17:59,190 --> 02:17:57,519
do you and you're right because you are

3512
02:18:00,870 --> 02:17:59,200
technically murdering

3513
02:18:04,150 --> 02:18:00,880
one to create another you're

3514
02:18:07,830 --> 02:18:04,160
deconstructing and reconstructing

3515
02:18:10,870 --> 02:18:07,840
atom by atom right particle by particle

3516
02:18:13,429 --> 02:18:10,880
without a mistake that that's

3517
02:18:13,990 --> 02:18:13,439
that's a heavy amount of computing power

3518
02:18:18,870 --> 02:18:14,000
do you

3519
02:18:19,349 --> 02:18:18,880
just in case something goes wrong

3520
02:18:21,669 --> 02:18:19,359
because

3521
02:18:22,790 --> 02:18:21,679
if something goes wrong you can't bring

3522
02:18:24,629 --> 02:18:22,800
it back

3523
02:18:26,469 --> 02:18:24,639
do you have a backup we have that type

3524
02:18:28,389 --> 02:18:26,479
of hardware uh we'll have

3525
02:18:30,070 --> 02:18:28,399
uh we'll have storage that can handle

3526
02:18:31,750 --> 02:18:30,080
that kind of backup and

3527
02:18:33,349 --> 02:18:31,760
uh i mean one thing you've gotta gotta

3528
02:18:34,950 --> 02:18:33,359
think about if you wanna just stay in

3529
02:18:37,190 --> 02:18:34,960
the star trek universe there are

3530
02:18:40,150 --> 02:18:37,200
multiple episodes

3531
02:18:41,349 --> 02:18:40,160
of uh of it across different shows but

3532
02:18:44,870 --> 02:18:41,359
one of my favorites

3533
02:18:45,349 --> 02:18:44,880
is um is one from the next generation

3534
02:18:48,150 --> 02:18:45,359
where

3535
02:18:49,030 --> 02:18:48,160
scotty makes an appearance uh because

3536
02:18:52,870 --> 02:18:49,040
they find him

3537
02:18:55,030 --> 02:18:52,880
locked uh inside of a teleporter

3538
02:18:56,870 --> 02:18:55,040
um after some kind of an accident where

3539
02:18:57,270 --> 02:18:56,880
he was being teleported and he ended up

3540
02:18:58,790 --> 02:18:57,280
like

3541
02:19:00,870 --> 02:18:58,800
his signature was inside of the

3542
02:19:03,509 --> 02:19:00,880
teleporter and they after

3543
02:19:04,070 --> 02:19:03,519
so many years just made it spit him back

3544
02:19:07,270 --> 02:19:04,080
out

3545
02:19:11,030 --> 02:19:07,280
and there he was the

3546
02:19:13,509 --> 02:19:11,040
the thing is uh when we're talking about

3547
02:19:15,030 --> 02:19:13,519
artificial intelligence uh like we are

3548
02:19:18,389 --> 02:19:15,040
and the singularity

3549
02:19:19,910 --> 02:19:18,399
and things like uh if you go back and

3550
02:19:21,669 --> 02:19:19,920
you look at some of the fantastic

3551
02:19:23,030 --> 02:19:21,679
science fiction of the past and movies

3552
02:19:26,389 --> 02:19:23,040
and of course how

3553
02:19:28,950 --> 02:19:26,399
um and and things like terminator that

3554
02:19:30,629 --> 02:19:28,960
uh and star trek and warp drives and

3555
02:19:33,429 --> 02:19:30,639
teleportation

3556
02:19:35,030 --> 02:19:33,439
all of this stuff is a suggestion from a

3557
02:19:38,790 --> 02:19:35,040
creative writer

3558
02:19:41,270 --> 02:19:38,800
that only causes somebody else in the

3559
02:19:43,110 --> 02:19:41,280
future to go that's a great idea

3560
02:19:44,549 --> 02:19:43,120
right and then it's developed maybe

3561
02:19:46,709 --> 02:19:44,559
right

3562
02:19:48,230 --> 02:19:46,719
i mean i i could definitely see that as

3563
02:19:49,590 --> 02:19:48,240
a great argument and i'd actually love

3564
02:19:50,870 --> 02:19:49,600
to have a longer argument along those

3565
02:19:53,110 --> 02:19:50,880
lines but like

3566
02:19:54,469 --> 02:19:53,120
the and it might even be right uh but

3567
02:19:57,030 --> 02:19:54,479
what i would say is

3568
02:19:58,309 --> 02:19:57,040
um there are certain things that are

3569
02:20:01,510 --> 02:19:58,319
just you know

3570
02:20:03,110 --> 02:20:01,520
obvious to uh the right mind in how

3571
02:20:04,309 --> 02:20:03,120
things are gonna work and what's going

3572
02:20:06,389 --> 02:20:04,319
to appear i mean

3573
02:20:07,590 --> 02:20:06,399
if you read a lot of early jules verne

3574
02:20:10,309 --> 02:20:07,600
stuff uh

3575
02:20:11,429 --> 02:20:10,319
a lot of technology was predicted that

3576
02:20:13,030 --> 02:20:11,439
came out

3577
02:20:14,550 --> 02:20:13,040
that way but when you also look at the

3578
02:20:16,150 --> 02:20:14,560
technology specifically

3579
02:20:17,990 --> 02:20:16,160
there weren't really that many other

3580
02:20:19,030 --> 02:20:18,000
ways to develop that in the first place

3581
02:20:21,030 --> 02:20:19,040
so

3582
02:20:23,110 --> 02:20:21,040
maybe they took a little hint from him

3583
02:20:24,150 --> 02:20:23,120
but in reality if we had invented it at

3584
02:20:25,670 --> 02:20:24,160
all it probably would have come out

3585
02:20:27,750 --> 02:20:25,680
looking that way so

3586
02:20:28,790 --> 02:20:27,760
i like to think of it more uh without

3587
02:20:30,469 --> 02:20:28,800
any real like you know

3588
02:20:32,710 --> 02:20:30,479
supernatural leaning or anything just

3589
02:20:34,070 --> 02:20:32,720
that uh he was born a little before his

3590
02:20:35,349 --> 02:20:34,080
time because his mind was seeing

3591
02:20:38,389 --> 02:20:35,359
patterns that ours weren't

3592
02:20:39,990 --> 02:20:38,399
um and uh once once uh once he saw it

3593
02:20:42,309 --> 02:20:40,000
and wrote it down other people could

3594
02:20:43,830 --> 02:20:42,319
could take from that but the things like

3595
02:20:45,270 --> 02:20:43,840
you know submarines and things like that

3596
02:20:46,550 --> 02:20:45,280
would have been developed the way they

3597
02:20:49,110 --> 02:20:46,560
were developed in that

3598
02:20:51,110 --> 02:20:49,120
it's kind of the only way they work now

3599
02:20:55,510 --> 02:20:51,120
here we have

3600
02:20:58,870 --> 02:20:55,520
uh the advancement of computers today

3601
02:21:01,110 --> 02:20:58,880
the internet wall street banking health

3602
02:21:03,830 --> 02:21:01,120
uh the internet social media we know

3603
02:21:07,349 --> 02:21:03,840
where we are today there's no reason to

3604
02:21:11,349 --> 02:21:07,359
explain it all and go down the list but

3605
02:21:14,950 --> 02:21:11,359
then we have the basic law

3606
02:21:18,870 --> 02:21:14,960
and definition of entropy

3607
02:21:21,590 --> 02:21:18,880
is it that and and and the second law

3608
02:21:22,710 --> 02:21:21,600
of thermodynamics which comes into play

3609
02:21:26,870 --> 02:21:22,720
here

3610
02:21:30,389 --> 02:21:26,880
is is a.i an artificial intelligence

3611
02:21:32,630 --> 02:21:30,399
just uh entropy playing itself

3612
02:21:35,030 --> 02:21:32,640
out where we're going to get too

3613
02:21:38,710 --> 02:21:35,040
complicated too complex

3614
02:21:42,469 --> 02:21:38,720
uh too intense and and complicated

3615
02:21:44,950 --> 02:21:42,479
and it's just going to come unraveled

3616
02:21:45,670 --> 02:21:44,960
and we're going to have a total collapse

3617
02:21:48,550 --> 02:21:45,680
is is

3618
02:21:49,590 --> 02:21:48,560
artificial intelligence an example of

3619
02:21:53,510 --> 02:21:49,600
entropy that we

3620
02:21:57,270 --> 02:21:55,590
i mean uh in all honesty i i think it's

3621
02:21:59,030 --> 02:21:57,280
going to happen whether people want it

3622
02:22:00,389 --> 02:21:59,040
to or not at some point it's going to

3623
02:22:02,790 --> 02:22:00,399
get far enough along that

3624
02:22:04,550 --> 02:22:02,800
the decisions really do have to be made

3625
02:22:05,590 --> 02:22:04,560
if we're you know flipping this thing on

3626
02:22:07,270 --> 02:22:05,600
or not

3627
02:22:09,190 --> 02:22:07,280
and if the decision is ever made that

3628
02:22:11,030 --> 02:22:09,200
we're not then

3629
02:22:12,790 --> 02:22:11,040
it'll already be far enough along that

3630
02:22:15,750 --> 02:22:12,800
enough of the science will be known that

3631
02:22:17,590 --> 02:22:15,760
that someone in some other location will

3632
02:22:19,110 --> 02:22:17,600
build out a second copy and we'll turn

3633
02:22:20,790 --> 02:22:19,120
it on anyways so

3634
02:22:22,870 --> 02:22:20,800
i think it's one of those cats out of

3635
02:22:25,750 --> 02:22:22,880
the bag already kind of a problems

3636
02:22:27,190 --> 02:22:25,760
more than say entropy but at the same

3637
02:22:28,630 --> 02:22:27,200
time i mean when we're talking about

3638
02:22:30,550 --> 02:22:28,640
things like entropy and we're talking

3639
02:22:32,150 --> 02:22:30,560
about where this is heading and

3640
02:22:33,750 --> 02:22:32,160
how fast it's getting there and whether

3641
02:22:34,870 --> 02:22:33,760
it's inevitable then we have to start

3642
02:22:37,349 --> 02:22:34,880
talking about

3643
02:22:39,190 --> 02:22:37,359
quantum and the quantum effects and

3644
02:22:40,950 --> 02:22:39,200
quantum teleportation and quantum

3645
02:22:43,030 --> 02:22:40,960
entanglement and

3646
02:22:44,710 --> 02:22:43,040
where the quantum computers are heading

3647
02:22:46,630 --> 02:22:44,720
and how many qubits will we have and how

3648
02:22:50,150 --> 02:22:46,640
many years and all that fun stuff

3649
02:22:53,670 --> 02:22:50,160
well okay and in closing tonight uh

3650
02:22:57,670 --> 02:22:53,680
i don't think anybody out there uh

3651
02:22:59,990 --> 02:22:57,680
knows more about well they may exist

3652
02:23:01,030 --> 02:23:00,000
but you are on a level of the

3653
02:23:04,150 --> 02:23:01,040
understanding of

3654
02:23:05,270 --> 02:23:04,160
networking and computers and and where

3655
02:23:08,309 --> 02:23:05,280
we are today

3656
02:23:09,349 --> 02:23:08,319
uh with a networked world you understand

3657
02:23:12,469 --> 02:23:09,359
this

3658
02:23:15,750 --> 02:23:12,479
with the way that machine learning

3659
02:23:18,150 --> 02:23:15,760
and artificial intelligence right now

3660
02:23:19,270 --> 02:23:18,160
in its infinite stage is running wall

3661
02:23:22,790 --> 02:23:19,280
street

3662
02:23:26,870 --> 02:23:22,800
is running social media

3663
02:23:29,429 --> 02:23:26,880
is now creating worlds around all of us

3664
02:23:29,990 --> 02:23:29,439
if it starts to come apart are there

3665
02:23:32,790 --> 02:23:30,000
enough

3666
02:23:33,990 --> 02:23:32,800
people out there that can stop uh

3667
02:23:35,830 --> 02:23:34,000
something crazy

3668
02:23:37,190 --> 02:23:35,840
in the world banking system in wall

3669
02:23:39,190 --> 02:23:37,200
street or some

3670
02:23:40,710 --> 02:23:39,200
stopping something crazy that could go

3671
02:23:42,630 --> 02:23:40,720
down on social media

3672
02:23:44,070 --> 02:23:42,640
where you have two and a half billion

3673
02:23:44,870 --> 02:23:44,080
people on the planet right half of the

3674
02:23:48,070 --> 02:23:44,880
planet

3675
02:23:50,469 --> 02:23:48,080
is on friggin facebook right and

3676
02:23:51,429 --> 02:23:50,479
and and half of the planet has a banking

3677
02:23:54,630 --> 02:23:51,439
system

3678
02:23:58,830 --> 02:23:54,640
and if something goes awry can we

3679
02:24:04,790 --> 02:24:02,070
uh no it's after the fact

3680
02:24:05,349 --> 02:24:04,800
um i mean at this point we still have

3681
02:24:08,469 --> 02:24:05,359
things

3682
02:24:11,190 --> 02:24:08,479
like uh the flash crash right uh

3683
02:24:12,469 --> 02:24:11,200
when it happened uh and markets came

3684
02:24:15,590 --> 02:24:12,479
crashing down

3685
02:24:16,710 --> 02:24:15,600
at at speed that was mind-blowing it

3686
02:24:20,309 --> 02:24:16,720
turned out to be

3687
02:24:23,670 --> 02:24:20,319
a a kid um and it was a teenager

3688
02:24:26,150 --> 02:24:23,680
at home alone one person who was

3689
02:24:27,670 --> 02:24:26,160
slightly autistic and was on the

3690
02:24:28,710 --> 02:24:27,680
spectrum on medication all that fun

3691
02:24:31,190 --> 02:24:28,720
stuff

3692
02:24:33,190 --> 02:24:31,200
and when they finally tracked down who

3693
02:24:35,830 --> 02:24:33,200
had done it and how

3694
02:24:37,590 --> 02:24:35,840
uh they they realized what they were

3695
02:24:39,670 --> 02:24:37,600
dealing with and didn't want to just

3696
02:24:40,710 --> 02:24:39,680
uh you know run this kid through the

3697
02:24:42,790 --> 02:24:40,720
justice system and

3698
02:24:44,870 --> 02:24:42,800
throw a kid with autism who obviously

3699
02:24:46,710 --> 02:24:44,880
had some issues that had led to this

3700
02:24:48,389 --> 02:24:46,720
into the into the prison system which

3701
02:24:51,190 --> 02:24:48,399
for one blows my mind that any

3702
02:24:52,790 --> 02:24:51,200
any judge in in courts and cops actually

3703
02:24:53,670 --> 02:24:52,800
thought that way but they did on this

3704
02:24:55,830 --> 02:24:53,680
one

3705
02:24:57,110 --> 02:24:55,840
and uh they literally called this house

3706
02:24:58,550 --> 02:24:57,120
because they wanted to talk to him and

3707
02:25:00,469 --> 02:24:58,560
his parents and set up a time to come

3708
02:25:03,670 --> 02:25:00,479
visit and not spook them

3709
02:25:05,349 --> 02:25:03,680
and uh he uh swore at them

3710
02:25:06,870 --> 02:25:05,359
and told them where they could stick it

3711
02:25:08,630 --> 02:25:06,880
and hung up on him

3712
02:25:10,950 --> 02:25:08,640
so of course they then came and arrested

3713
02:25:13,429 --> 02:25:10,960
him um but uh

3714
02:25:14,469 --> 02:25:13,439
you know i do think this type of a work

3715
02:25:16,550 --> 02:25:14,479
still at this point

3716
02:25:18,230 --> 02:25:16,560
is aftermath you know the systems are

3717
02:25:20,150 --> 02:25:18,240
getting fast i mean the high frequency

3718
02:25:22,309 --> 02:25:20,160
traders and all that type stuff are

3719
02:25:23,990 --> 02:25:22,319
mind-boggling at the speeds that they do

3720
02:25:26,309 --> 02:25:24,000
things but uh

3721
02:25:27,349 --> 02:25:26,319
the the controls to fix things aren't

3722
02:25:29,270 --> 02:25:27,359
really there and

3723
02:25:30,790 --> 02:25:29,280
i'm gonna throw this out there that i

3724
02:25:31,590 --> 02:25:30,800
don't think a lot of the controls to

3725
02:25:34,070 --> 02:25:31,600
slow down

3726
02:25:34,630 --> 02:25:34,080
that type of stuff are in place because

3727
02:25:37,190 --> 02:25:34,640
uh

3728
02:25:38,550 --> 02:25:37,200
a lot of rich people profit off of the

3729
02:25:41,670 --> 02:25:38,560
current state of affairs

3730
02:25:44,630 --> 02:25:41,680
and don't want them now

3731
02:25:45,670 --> 02:25:44,640
one last thing uh that is uh out there

3732
02:25:48,950 --> 02:25:45,680
in the media right now

3733
02:25:49,590 --> 02:25:48,960
is tick tock and you are a security

3734
02:25:53,110 --> 02:25:49,600
expert

3735
02:25:55,830 --> 02:25:53,120
this is this is right in your wheelhouse

3736
02:25:56,790 --> 02:25:55,840
um when you see the comments about tick

3737
02:25:58,630 --> 02:25:56,800
tock of course

3738
02:26:00,469 --> 02:25:58,640
you know we have the chinese connection

3739
02:26:03,830 --> 02:26:00,479
uh which is there

3740
02:26:08,150 --> 02:26:03,840
but uh are the

3741
02:26:10,230 --> 02:26:08,160
are the claims out there worrisome

3742
02:26:13,910 --> 02:26:10,240
is this something that we need to uh

3743
02:26:15,030 --> 02:26:13,920
consider when it comes to tick tock

3744
02:26:19,030 --> 02:26:15,040
i mean depends on what claims you're

3745
02:26:20,710 --> 02:26:19,040
talking about let's put politics aside

3746
02:26:22,389 --> 02:26:20,720
well no i'm not talking about like trump

3747
02:26:24,309 --> 02:26:22,399
or right he's going to profit off of

3748
02:26:25,830 --> 02:26:24,319
oracle's thing because larry ellison and

3749
02:26:27,590 --> 02:26:25,840
oracle is a piece

3750
02:26:28,790 --> 02:26:27,600
and uh i don't want to go there i don't

3751
02:26:29,750 --> 02:26:28,800
want to we're not going to go down that

3752
02:26:31,990 --> 02:26:29,760
path

3753
02:26:33,429 --> 02:26:32,000
that's going to happen and walmart

3754
02:26:34,309 --> 02:26:33,439
businessmen they're going to do that

3755
02:26:36,389 --> 02:26:34,319
right but that's just

3756
02:26:37,910 --> 02:26:36,399
that's off to the side the the the

3757
02:26:39,670 --> 02:26:37,920
forefront issue you want to talk about

3758
02:26:41,110 --> 02:26:39,680
is the security issue and and this is a

3759
02:26:44,230 --> 02:26:41,120
pretty simple one because

3760
02:26:46,309 --> 02:26:44,240
it is actual chinese law that if you run

3761
02:26:48,550 --> 02:26:46,319
uh organizations like this you have to

3762
02:26:49,349 --> 02:26:48,560
then also hand over any and all user

3763
02:26:52,070 --> 02:26:49,359
information

3764
02:26:53,190 --> 02:26:52,080
to the chinese government um not only

3765
02:26:55,190 --> 02:26:53,200
that but i mean the law

3766
02:26:57,590 --> 02:26:55,200
is down to the point where if you are a

3767
02:27:00,710 --> 02:26:57,600
chinese citizen who has been allowed

3768
02:27:02,790 --> 02:27:00,720
to live overseas and still maintain your

3769
02:27:03,830 --> 02:27:02,800
chinese citizenship where you can freely

3770
02:27:07,990 --> 02:27:03,840
travel

3771
02:27:09,830 --> 02:27:08,000
um then you have to at all times respond

3772
02:27:11,110 --> 02:27:09,840
to government requests for any and all

3773
02:27:12,870 --> 02:27:11,120
information so

3774
02:27:14,309 --> 02:27:12,880
if you're some you know startup in san

3775
02:27:16,389 --> 02:27:14,319
francisco and you have a chinese

3776
02:27:17,910 --> 02:27:16,399
national working for you

3777
02:27:19,429 --> 02:27:17,920
and the chinese government comes to them

3778
02:27:21,750 --> 02:27:19,439
and says we need you to give us these

3779
02:27:24,070 --> 02:27:21,760
files off of their systems

3780
02:27:25,990 --> 02:27:24,080
they are legally required to or if they

3781
02:27:26,710 --> 02:27:26,000
go back to china they can be arrested

3782
02:27:29,030 --> 02:27:26,720
for

3783
02:27:31,110 --> 02:27:29,040
denying the state um their family can be

3784
02:27:33,349 --> 02:27:31,120
arrested too for it as well so

3785
02:27:34,469 --> 02:27:33,359
like this isn't any kind of alternative

3786
02:27:36,630 --> 02:27:34,479
speaking here that's

3787
02:27:37,750 --> 02:27:36,640
actually the law and they've done it

3788
02:27:39,429 --> 02:27:37,760
multiple times

3789
02:27:41,510 --> 02:27:39,439
like there's people in jail in china

3790
02:27:42,150 --> 02:27:41,520
right now for having disobeyed that law

3791
02:27:44,230 --> 02:27:42,160
so

3792
02:27:46,150 --> 02:27:44,240
that's not an unfounded fear but at the

3793
02:27:47,030 --> 02:27:46,160
same time i mean the amount of data

3794
02:27:49,110 --> 02:27:47,040
they're collecting

3795
02:27:50,950 --> 02:27:49,120
on people out of tick tock and tools

3796
02:27:52,469 --> 02:27:50,960
like that are

3797
02:27:54,469 --> 02:27:52,479
similar to the amount of data that

3798
02:27:55,190 --> 02:27:54,479
people like you know zuckerberg at

3799
02:27:56,870 --> 02:27:55,200
facebook are

3800
02:27:58,630 --> 02:27:56,880
are gathering out of people all over the

3801
02:28:00,230 --> 02:27:58,640
world right and uh

3802
02:28:02,790 --> 02:28:00,240
they respond to all of our government's

3803
02:28:04,389 --> 02:28:02,800
requests uh that are properly formatted

3804
02:28:06,630 --> 02:28:04,399
asking for data so

3805
02:28:09,030 --> 02:28:06,640
it's not like we're saying they're doing

3806
02:28:11,270 --> 02:28:09,040
something that we're not doing

3807
02:28:13,590 --> 02:28:11,280
what what our government is saying is

3808
02:28:15,270 --> 02:28:13,600
they're doing it to our citizens and

3809
02:28:16,630 --> 02:28:15,280
we don't want them to be doing it we

3810
02:28:20,710 --> 02:28:16,640
want to be the ones doing it

3811
02:28:22,630 --> 02:28:20,720
now what about wechat it's similar

3812
02:28:23,750 --> 02:28:22,640
statement i mean it's it's it's another

3813
02:28:26,469 --> 02:28:23,760
chinese company that

3814
02:28:27,830 --> 02:28:26,479
uh is is done the exact same way where

3815
02:28:28,950 --> 02:28:27,840
employees of that company that are of

3816
02:28:30,870 --> 02:28:28,960
chinese descent

3817
02:28:33,429 --> 02:28:30,880
and still hold on to their citizenship

3818
02:28:34,550 --> 02:28:33,439
are under legal restraint that they have

3819
02:28:36,469 --> 02:28:34,560
to respond

3820
02:28:38,070 --> 02:28:36,479
with any user data that they are asked

3821
02:28:39,670 --> 02:28:38,080
for under penalty of law

3822
02:28:41,110 --> 02:28:39,680
and that penalty is up to life

3823
02:28:44,710 --> 02:28:41,120
imprisonment now

3824
02:28:47,830 --> 02:28:44,720
uh and with wechat which is uh

3825
02:28:50,950 --> 02:28:47,840
an encrypted uh uh

3826
02:28:54,469 --> 02:28:50,960
communication uh device software

3827
02:28:57,670 --> 02:28:54,479
uh that uh people use thinking that

3828
02:29:01,349 --> 02:28:57,680
their communication is encrypted is it

3829
02:29:05,030 --> 02:29:01,359
possible that the chinese government has

3830
02:29:07,910 --> 02:29:05,040
access to that encrypted communication

3831
02:29:09,349 --> 02:29:07,920
uh as a chinese company founded in china

3832
02:29:10,790 --> 02:29:09,359
they would not be allowed to operate at

3833
02:29:13,190 --> 02:29:10,800
the scale they are operating at

3834
02:29:14,630 --> 02:29:13,200
if they did not uh provide that uh a

3835
02:29:17,349 --> 02:29:14,640
backdoor in the system

3836
02:29:18,150 --> 02:29:17,359
right it is not end-to-end encryption as

3837
02:29:20,469 --> 02:29:18,160
is you know

3838
02:29:21,349 --> 02:29:20,479
wanted um it is not something like

3839
02:29:23,110 --> 02:29:21,359
signal or

3840
02:29:25,110 --> 02:29:23,120
wire where you get you know true

3841
02:29:26,870 --> 02:29:25,120
end-to-end encryption it is

3842
02:29:28,389 --> 02:29:26,880
man in the middle in a way where the

3843
02:29:31,510 --> 02:29:28,399
government can make requests

3844
02:29:34,790 --> 02:29:31,520
do you use wechat no

3845
02:29:37,270 --> 02:29:34,800
exactly what you just you just named

3846
02:29:39,429 --> 02:29:37,280
three or four different companies signal

3847
02:29:42,630 --> 02:29:39,439
or wire they both use the same text

3848
02:29:44,710 --> 02:29:42,640
secure and voice secure protocols

3849
02:29:46,309 --> 02:29:44,720
uh and they're the only two i use i

3850
02:29:47,670 --> 02:29:46,319
won't use telegram either because the

3851
02:29:48,469 --> 02:29:47,680
russians have broken its encryption

3852
02:29:51,030 --> 02:29:48,479
twice now

3853
02:29:51,910 --> 02:29:51,040
and uh so i'm just not going to trust

3854
02:29:53,910 --> 02:29:51,920
that uh

3855
02:29:55,030 --> 02:29:53,920
i think they need to hire some new

3856
02:29:57,830 --> 02:29:55,040
photographer

3857
02:29:58,790 --> 02:29:57,840
cryptographers to their team um i

3858
02:30:03,429 --> 02:29:58,800
remember

3859
02:30:05,990 --> 02:30:03,439
and i was texting you

3860
02:30:06,550 --> 02:30:06,000
and we finally get hooked up we i think

3861
02:30:10,070 --> 02:30:06,560
we were

3862
02:30:13,190 --> 02:30:10,080
at uh the hotel anyway you go dude

3863
02:30:16,790 --> 02:30:13,200
you're not encrypted right

3864
02:30:19,429 --> 02:30:16,800
do you remember that i said yeah and

3865
02:30:20,070 --> 02:30:19,439
it was funny you would not you would not

3866
02:30:23,190 --> 02:30:20,080
that was

3867
02:30:25,510 --> 02:30:23,200
you you had the wall up and it uh it

3868
02:30:28,790 --> 02:30:25,520
really freaked me out but you forced me

3869
02:30:30,710 --> 02:30:28,800
uh to uh reconsider my communication

3870
02:30:32,389 --> 02:30:30,720
methods and that's why we thank you

3871
02:30:33,830 --> 02:30:32,399
greg what a great conversation tonight

3872
02:30:35,990 --> 02:30:33,840
my friend uh

3873
02:30:37,670 --> 02:30:36,000
really quick uh you have an announcement

3874
02:30:39,030 --> 02:30:37,680
to make and i wanted to do this earlier

3875
02:30:40,710 --> 02:30:39,040
what's going on

3876
02:30:42,309 --> 02:30:40,720
uh yeah you know this is i guess the

3877
02:30:44,630 --> 02:30:42,319
first time i'm i'm gonna be saying this

3878
02:30:45,110 --> 02:30:44,640
publicly but uh for a while there i was

3879
02:30:47,830 --> 02:30:45,120
running

3880
02:30:49,110 --> 02:30:47,840
a uh podcast and we were doing a weekly

3881
02:30:51,830 --> 02:30:49,120
show

3882
02:30:53,750 --> 02:30:51,840
and um it was a lot of fun it was in a

3883
02:30:55,030 --> 02:30:53,760
studio all that fun stuff but it had no

3884
02:30:57,750 --> 02:30:55,040
video it had

3885
02:30:59,830 --> 02:30:57,760
nothing else and i also wasn't really

3886
02:31:01,270 --> 02:30:59,840
working on sponsorship or how i could

3887
02:31:03,030 --> 02:31:01,280
possibly actually

3888
02:31:04,389 --> 02:31:03,040
make uh make it in a way where i could

3889
02:31:05,990 --> 02:31:04,399
afford to keep making it because the

3890
02:31:07,590 --> 02:31:06,000
amount of time that went into it so

3891
02:31:09,750 --> 02:31:07,600
right i've been spending the last year

3892
02:31:12,790 --> 02:31:09,760
really rethinking what i want that to be

3893
02:31:14,150 --> 02:31:12,800
and i am relaunching uh instead of just

3894
02:31:17,670 --> 02:31:14,160
a podcast as

3895
02:31:20,950 --> 02:31:17,680
a stream uh that will run nightly

3896
02:31:21,750 --> 02:31:20,960
uh weeknights uh for a couple hours each

3897
02:31:24,870 --> 02:31:21,760
night uh

3898
02:31:27,349 --> 02:31:24,880
live on twitch uh and then uh clips and

3899
02:31:30,710 --> 02:31:27,359
all kinds of special stuff going up on

3900
02:31:31,910 --> 02:31:30,720
uh youtube and uh twitter and facebook

3901
02:31:34,230 --> 02:31:31,920
and all the other stuff the next day

3902
02:31:35,830 --> 02:31:34,240
because twitch is very clear about 24

3903
02:31:37,110 --> 02:31:35,840
hours from live to

3904
02:31:39,349 --> 02:31:37,120
other places or you lose your

3905
02:31:40,790 --> 02:31:39,359
partnership but

3906
02:31:42,710 --> 02:31:40,800
i'm going to be doing that and the show

3907
02:31:44,550 --> 02:31:42,720
is going to probably start back up in

3908
02:31:45,190 --> 02:31:44,560
about a month i don't have a hard date

3909
02:31:48,150 --> 02:31:45,200
yet but

3910
02:31:49,910 --> 02:31:48,160
uh the social medias are all you know

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02:31:51,750 --> 02:31:49,920
the greg house show so if you

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look for those on anything you'll find

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my stuff and you'll find the new trailer

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02:31:57,349 --> 02:31:54,399
i've put up a

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little video i heard your first guest is

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chainsaw church

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02:32:05,750 --> 02:32:03,040
is that true no hey greg

3918
02:32:06,070 --> 02:32:05,760
have a great night man be safe out there

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02:32:09,510 --> 02:32:06,080
and

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02:32:11,590 --> 02:32:09,520
humanity

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02:32:13,429 --> 02:32:11,600
that you are thank you so much thanks

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man you're the best

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greg house now you do want to follow

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greg on twitter just go

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right now at greg house greg with

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two g's all right everything is there

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greg howe she is the best i'm heroes

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jimmy church this is fade to black and

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the game changer network and kgra the

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i'll be right back with your phone calls

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that greg doesn't want to take

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hey what up y'all biblical fox here and

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this is kjcr jimmychurchradio.com

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welcome back fade to black i'm real

4014
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that is what i'm talking about

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holy crap greg house the absolute best

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the absolute best and uh the phone lines

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cannot 747-228-2051-747-228-2051 away

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from a chat room greg is the very best

4019
02:37:14,150 --> 02:37:12,000
and i learned uh so much from greg

4020
02:37:16,469 --> 02:37:14,160
in uh the week that i spent with him in

4021
02:37:19,670 --> 02:37:16,479
new york it was absolutely incredible

4022
02:37:23,270 --> 02:37:19,680
and we stayed at the same hotel and

4023
02:37:24,950 --> 02:37:23,280
uh and we were at the

4024
02:37:26,389 --> 02:37:24,960
um i want to talk about a couple of

4025
02:37:28,590 --> 02:37:26,399
other things and of course

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your phone calls too as well

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747-228-2051

4028
02:37:35,510 --> 02:37:33,200
um we were at the hackers

4029
02:37:36,469 --> 02:37:35,520
on planet earth uh conference it's

4030
02:37:38,950 --> 02:37:36,479
called the

4031
02:37:41,270 --> 02:37:38,960
hope conference uh and if you've never

4032
02:37:44,389 --> 02:37:41,280
heard of it you can look it up and

4033
02:37:45,750 --> 02:37:44,399
there's two main hacker conferences

4034
02:37:48,309 --> 02:37:45,760
in the world one that goes down in las

4035
02:37:49,990 --> 02:37:48,319
vegas and of course this one in new york

4036
02:37:51,670 --> 02:37:50,000
and and so we're there for this

4037
02:37:55,630 --> 02:37:51,680
conference

4038
02:37:58,950 --> 02:37:55,640
it was one of the most bizarre

4039
02:38:04,230 --> 02:37:58,960
experiences for me to go through

4040
02:38:07,510 --> 02:38:04,240
because everybody

4041
02:38:10,870 --> 02:38:07,520
when i say everybody everybody

4042
02:38:15,910 --> 02:38:10,880
around me and rita

4043
02:38:23,030 --> 02:38:19,590
and now what kind of hacker uh

4044
02:38:27,510 --> 02:38:23,040
uh a hobbyist

4045
02:38:30,630 --> 02:38:27,520
a professional somebody known

4046
02:38:31,750 --> 02:38:30,640
yeah all of this stuff comes into play

4047
02:38:35,590 --> 02:38:31,760
here

4048
02:38:38,150 --> 02:38:35,600
and and we were seeing all of this go on

4049
02:38:39,429 --> 02:38:38,160
right okay so we're experiencing this

4050
02:38:42,710 --> 02:38:39,439
part of it

4051
02:38:45,110 --> 02:38:42,720
and this is uh for me what was

4052
02:38:46,710 --> 02:38:45,120
what was so interesting is that

4053
02:38:50,469 --> 02:38:46,720
everybody was aware

4054
02:38:54,469 --> 02:38:50,479
of their environment constantly

4055
02:38:58,950 --> 02:38:54,479
it was like no it wasn't like

4056
02:39:01,429 --> 02:38:58,960
it was a movie it was a movie

4057
02:39:01,990 --> 02:39:01,439
where you know everybody and it was it

4058
02:39:03,750 --> 02:39:02,000
was just

4059
02:39:05,030 --> 02:39:03,760
it was strange because you could see it

4060
02:39:07,190 --> 02:39:05,040
you could feel it

4061
02:39:09,030 --> 02:39:07,200
lots of hoodies lots of hoodies up lots

4062
02:39:12,150 --> 02:39:09,040
of hoodie people hiding their face

4063
02:39:13,830 --> 02:39:12,160
things going on um uh

4064
02:39:16,070 --> 02:39:13,840
strange things going on with the

4065
02:39:17,349 --> 02:39:16,080
internet uh things going on with video

4066
02:39:19,830 --> 02:39:17,359
feeds and

4067
02:39:21,110 --> 02:39:19,840
practical jokes and hacks and things

4068
02:39:22,309 --> 02:39:21,120
that were happening it was it was

4069
02:39:24,710 --> 02:39:22,319
bizarre

4070
02:39:26,469 --> 02:39:24,720
um so as i'm going through this and i'm

4071
02:39:27,349 --> 02:39:26,479
getting introduced to people and i'm

4072
02:39:30,630 --> 02:39:27,359
meeting people

4073
02:39:33,830 --> 02:39:30,640
and and and greg and uh

4074
02:39:35,830 --> 02:39:33,840
introducing me to uh uh i

4075
02:39:36,870 --> 02:39:35,840
i can't i can't get into the details i

4076
02:39:40,070 --> 02:39:36,880
would like to but

4077
02:39:43,349 --> 02:39:40,080
but anyway it was bizarre

4078
02:39:45,110 --> 02:39:43,359
and uh it was like this i'm going to

4079
02:39:46,550 --> 02:39:45,120
share a couple of experiences

4080
02:39:49,030 --> 02:39:46,560
with you and then i'm going to get to

4081
02:39:51,910 --> 02:39:49,040
the phones um

4082
02:39:52,550 --> 02:39:51,920
we are on an elevator we get on this

4083
02:39:54,790 --> 02:39:52,560
elevator

4084
02:39:56,469 --> 02:39:54,800
it's at the roosevelt hotel where the

4085
02:39:59,030 --> 02:39:56,479
conference is being held

4086
02:40:00,389 --> 02:39:59,040
and there's i don't know man two

4087
02:40:02,230 --> 02:40:00,399
thousand three thousand four thousand

4088
02:40:03,190 --> 02:40:02,240
five thousand hackers running around on

4089
02:40:06,870 --> 02:40:03,200
the loose

4090
02:40:10,469 --> 02:40:06,880
we get on this elevator and

4091
02:40:14,309 --> 02:40:10,479
i step on board i've got

4092
02:40:17,830 --> 02:40:14,319
uh uh everybody knew

4093
02:40:20,309 --> 02:40:17,840
at this point who we were they knew that

4094
02:40:22,950 --> 02:40:20,319
history channel was there

4095
02:40:23,349 --> 02:40:22,960
with a video crew at their conference

4096
02:40:28,309 --> 02:40:23,359
and

4097
02:40:31,269 --> 02:40:28,319
trust me on this right now

4098
02:40:32,630 --> 02:40:31,279
it was uh it was a bad scene and i was

4099
02:40:34,070 --> 02:40:32,640
trying to be nice and

4100
02:40:36,790 --> 02:40:34,080
things anyway so we step on this

4101
02:40:39,429 --> 02:40:36,800
elevator i got i got like two

4102
02:40:41,429 --> 02:40:39,439
two camera guys i got a sound guy with a

4103
02:40:44,630 --> 02:40:41,439
boom i got a producer

4104
02:40:46,870 --> 02:40:44,640
and i got myself maybe another producer

4105
02:40:48,710 --> 02:40:46,880
uh with this and the rest of the crew

4106
02:40:50,950 --> 02:40:48,720
was outside we get on the elevator

4107
02:40:52,710 --> 02:40:50,960
and there's like another five or six

4108
02:40:54,950 --> 02:40:52,720
people on the elevator and we get on and

4109
02:41:00,150 --> 02:40:54,960
it's dead silence

4110
02:41:05,030 --> 02:41:03,110
you guys here for the conference nobody

4111
02:41:07,269 --> 02:41:05,040
talks

4112
02:41:09,510 --> 02:41:07,279
elevator's going up everybody's kind of

4113
02:41:11,349 --> 02:41:09,520
looking away from me

4114
02:41:14,070 --> 02:41:11,359
and i said you know we're here we're

4115
02:41:17,510 --> 02:41:14,080
filming this is great and we're

4116
02:41:20,950 --> 02:41:17,520
supporting and really dig being here man

4117
02:41:21,349 --> 02:41:20,960
and uh so uh if if any of you would you

4118
02:41:23,110 --> 02:41:21,359
know

4119
02:41:25,190 --> 02:41:23,120
like to come and hang out or talk to me

4120
02:41:28,230 --> 02:41:25,200
and and things it'd be great

4121
02:41:30,630 --> 02:41:28,240
and we get to this floor uh it's up

4122
02:41:32,150 --> 02:41:30,640
up at the top it's like 12th or 14th

4123
02:41:34,710 --> 02:41:32,160
floor or something like that

4124
02:41:36,230 --> 02:41:34,720
and the elevator door is open and these

4125
02:41:41,349 --> 02:41:36,240
five walk off and this

4126
02:41:45,750 --> 02:41:43,910
and they just keep walking and we walk

4127
02:41:46,710 --> 02:41:45,760
up and we're looking at each other like

4128
02:41:50,630 --> 02:41:46,720
oh man this

4129
02:41:54,230 --> 02:41:50,640
is just rough and uh

4130
02:41:55,670 --> 02:41:54,240
i walk in to uh you know what i've got

4131
02:41:56,950 --> 02:41:55,680
all these calls on hold should i just

4132
02:42:00,150 --> 02:41:56,960
take a call

4133
02:42:04,150 --> 02:42:00,160
okay listen i i

4134
02:42:05,750 --> 02:42:04,160
walk in to uh a seminar

4135
02:42:07,429 --> 02:42:05,760
it's a presentation guy up on the

4136
02:42:11,269 --> 02:42:07,439
microphone lights are off

4137
02:42:11,990 --> 02:42:11,279
it's dark and uh it's about 500 people

4138
02:42:14,309 --> 02:42:12,000
in this room it's

4139
02:42:15,349 --> 02:42:14,319
packed and i'm like i wonder what this

4140
02:42:17,429 --> 02:42:15,359
is about right

4141
02:42:18,790 --> 02:42:17,439
okay so i just come in i'm leaning

4142
02:42:21,950 --> 02:42:18,800
against the wall and

4143
02:42:23,670 --> 02:42:21,960
and watch and i look out and without

4144
02:42:25,429 --> 02:42:23,680
exaggerating

4145
02:42:27,349 --> 02:42:25,439
and i talked to people that were there

4146
02:42:30,469 --> 02:42:27,359
about this this room

4147
02:42:34,309 --> 02:42:30,479
is 500 people in the dark

4148
02:42:38,230 --> 02:42:34,319
500 hoodies up

4149
02:42:41,349 --> 02:42:38,240
right people taking notes

4150
02:42:45,429 --> 02:42:41,359
and uh and i'm just looking i'm

4151
02:42:49,429 --> 02:42:45,439
fascinated and this guy

4152
02:42:53,030 --> 02:42:49,439
was up on the mic giving specific

4153
02:42:57,030 --> 02:42:53,040
instructions on how to

4154
02:43:00,469 --> 02:42:57,040
hack an iphone right

4155
02:43:03,750 --> 02:43:00,479
and have the iphone generate

4156
02:43:07,510 --> 02:43:03,760
its own phone number

4157
02:43:10,710 --> 02:43:07,520
and how you can change

4158
02:43:13,750 --> 02:43:10,720
your location to be in another city

4159
02:43:17,030 --> 02:43:13,760
with another phone number uh and nothing

4160
02:43:18,710 --> 02:43:17,040
tied to right anyway anyway it was much

4161
02:43:19,830 --> 02:43:18,720
more complex than even that

4162
02:43:21,269 --> 02:43:19,840
but he's giving the intro and

4163
02:43:22,309 --> 02:43:21,279
everybody's writing it down and i'm like

4164
02:43:24,630 --> 02:43:22,319
oh my god

4165
02:43:26,070 --> 02:43:24,640
this isn't like a ufo conference this

4166
02:43:28,710 --> 02:43:26,080
isn't like something else

4167
02:43:30,150 --> 02:43:28,720
this is like real information and i'm

4168
02:43:30,630 --> 02:43:30,160
looking down and everybody's taking

4169
02:43:32,710 --> 02:43:30,640
notes

4170
02:43:34,309 --> 02:43:32,720
it goes okay so then you go to blah blah

4171
02:43:35,110 --> 02:43:34,319
blah blah blah blah blah and everybody's

4172
02:43:39,590 --> 02:43:35,120
taking a

4173
02:43:43,030 --> 02:43:39,600
like holy crap this world is real

4174
02:43:45,910 --> 02:43:43,040
and it was fascinating it was i i got

4175
02:43:46,550 --> 02:43:45,920
so many stories uh from from that

4176
02:43:50,309 --> 02:43:46,560
weekend

4177
02:43:54,469 --> 02:43:50,319
and hanging out with that anyway so greg

4178
02:43:57,670 --> 02:43:54,479
at this conference he's like the dude

4179
02:43:59,269 --> 02:43:57,680
he's the dude he's the big lebowski he's

4180
02:44:02,950 --> 02:43:59,279
the guy

4181
02:44:04,309 --> 02:44:02,960
it was uh it was fascinating it was

4182
02:44:05,670 --> 02:44:04,319
absolutely incredible let's go to the

4183
02:44:07,990 --> 02:44:05,680
phones hi you're live on fade to black

4184
02:44:11,910 --> 02:44:08,000
who's calling

4185
02:44:15,269 --> 02:44:11,920
me who's me

4186
02:44:16,230 --> 02:44:15,279
oh hi i wasn't peter legate hi i saw

4187
02:44:18,070 --> 02:44:16,240
your tweet on

4188
02:44:19,910 --> 02:44:18,080
i saw you i was just on the internet you

4189
02:44:22,550 --> 02:44:19,920
know and i saw your tweet

4190
02:44:25,670 --> 02:44:22,560
so uh while i was waiting i noticed you

4191
02:44:27,590 --> 02:44:25,680
said uh the topic is zt's

4192
02:44:29,030 --> 02:44:27,600
so what are you guys talking about about

4193
02:44:30,710 --> 02:44:29,040
et's i mean uh

4194
02:44:33,670 --> 02:44:30,720
everyone believes in them who listens to

4195
02:44:35,429 --> 02:44:33,680
your show right uh

4196
02:44:37,030 --> 02:44:35,439
we were talking about artificial

4197
02:44:40,150 --> 02:44:37,040
intelligence tonight peter

4198
02:44:42,150 --> 02:44:40,160
but uh oh that's good too

4199
02:44:43,590 --> 02:44:42,160
but but hold on let's change let's

4200
02:44:45,590 --> 02:44:43,600
change gears here

4201
02:44:47,349 --> 02:44:45,600
so you just you weren't listening to the

4202
02:44:48,230 --> 02:44:47,359
show you were just hanging out in

4203
02:44:49,990 --> 02:44:48,240
twitter

4204
02:44:51,830 --> 02:44:50,000
you saw that yeah and you decided to

4205
02:44:54,870 --> 02:44:51,840
call in now my question

4206
02:44:56,710 --> 02:44:54,880
is well hold on hold on so my question

4207
02:44:59,590 --> 02:44:56,720
is back to you peter

4208
02:45:01,990 --> 02:44:59,600
what is your concerns or questions about

4209
02:45:09,990 --> 02:45:06,230
well i have very strong beliefs and

4210
02:45:11,990 --> 02:45:10,000
some experience with et's i don't know

4211
02:45:13,910 --> 02:45:12,000
everything about them is there's so much

4212
02:45:16,469 --> 02:45:13,920
snow obviously but

4213
02:45:17,269 --> 02:45:16,479
the most interesting thing for me is a

4214
02:45:19,510 --> 02:45:17,279
lot of people

4215
02:45:21,510 --> 02:45:19,520
um i don't know that many in the field

4216
02:45:23,269 --> 02:45:21,520
but the main people i respect in the

4217
02:45:24,150 --> 02:45:23,279
field some of them think there's such a

4218
02:45:27,990 --> 02:45:24,160
thing as

4219
02:45:29,830 --> 02:45:28,000
very positive ets and very negative ets

4220
02:45:31,990 --> 02:45:29,840
and some others say there's only

4221
02:45:34,309 --> 02:45:32,000
positive

4222
02:45:35,030 --> 02:45:34,319
and uh that's a very interesting issue

4223
02:45:39,750 --> 02:45:35,040
for me

4224
02:45:42,710 --> 02:45:39,760
why what was your experience like

4225
02:45:43,830 --> 02:45:42,720
well i've had personal contact with et's

4226
02:45:45,269 --> 02:45:43,840
a little bit uh

4227
02:45:47,269 --> 02:45:45,279
actually i saw a whole fleet of them

4228
02:45:50,309 --> 02:45:47,279
about 20 years ago

4229
02:45:52,309 --> 02:45:50,319
and i in it was

4230
02:45:54,710 --> 02:45:52,319
between 12 and 15 i didn't really have

4231
02:45:56,550 --> 02:45:54,720
time to count them

4232
02:45:57,910 --> 02:45:56,560
and i had a pretty intense experience

4233
02:46:00,309 --> 02:45:57,920
with them

4234
02:46:01,510 --> 02:46:00,319
but but i believe myself that they're

4235
02:46:03,510 --> 02:46:01,520
all positive

4236
02:46:05,750 --> 02:46:03,520
but i think they're like a reflection of

4237
02:46:08,950 --> 02:46:05,760
our consciousness personally

4238
02:46:10,550 --> 02:46:08,960
so the the structure of the of uh what's

4239
02:46:12,710 --> 02:46:10,560
out there is going to match what's

4240
02:46:15,670 --> 02:46:12,720
inside ourselves

4241
02:46:16,550 --> 02:46:15,680
and so i think it's kind of like you get

4242
02:46:19,269 --> 02:46:16,560
what you believe

4243
02:46:21,429 --> 02:46:19,279
like it's a great extrapolation of your

4244
02:46:23,910 --> 02:46:21,439
personal belief system

4245
02:46:25,030 --> 02:46:23,920
you see what i mean and uh you can bring

4246
02:46:28,389 --> 02:46:25,040
that back to the

4247
02:46:29,830 --> 02:46:28,399
um artificial intelligence too because

4248
02:46:31,830 --> 02:46:29,840
i think the negative ones are going to

4249
02:46:33,110 --> 02:46:31,840
be interested in making worlds that are

4250
02:46:35,990 --> 02:46:33,120
completely

4251
02:46:37,910 --> 02:46:36,000
artificial intelligence and where we're

4252
02:46:39,030 --> 02:46:37,920
their slaves etc of course i don't want

4253
02:46:41,269 --> 02:46:39,040
to have anything to do with those

4254
02:46:45,110 --> 02:46:41,279
universes

4255
02:46:48,469 --> 02:46:45,120
well there's always a bad actor right so

4256
02:46:49,150 --> 02:46:48,479
yeah there's always a bad actor but your

4257
02:46:53,590 --> 02:46:49,160
personal

4258
02:46:56,710 --> 02:46:53,600
experiences have not been negative right

4259
02:46:59,110 --> 02:46:56,720
no very positive and so

4260
02:46:59,990 --> 02:46:59,120
if you if you base things on that and

4261
02:47:02,550 --> 02:47:00,000
you look at

4262
02:47:04,710 --> 02:47:02,560
a little bit of the historical narrative

4263
02:47:06,950 --> 02:47:04,720
i've had a lot of uh

4264
02:47:08,469 --> 02:47:06,960
experiences and sightings myself all of

4265
02:47:11,510 --> 02:47:08,479
them great i haven't had it

4266
02:47:13,269 --> 02:47:11,520
i i have not been abducted uh i haven't

4267
02:47:16,790 --> 02:47:13,279
had any of my pets

4268
02:47:19,349 --> 02:47:16,800
mutilated you know nothing like that so

4269
02:47:21,670 --> 02:47:19,359
my my view is positive but if you look

4270
02:47:24,710 --> 02:47:21,680
at the historical narrative

4271
02:47:27,349 --> 02:47:24,720
uh if they're negative

4272
02:47:27,830 --> 02:47:27,359
they're pretty soft because they have

4273
02:47:30,469 --> 02:47:27,840
really

4274
02:47:31,830 --> 02:47:30,479
they haven't done anything right i don't

4275
02:47:35,590 --> 02:47:31,840
i haven't seen any

4276
02:47:38,870 --> 02:47:35,600
laser wars over london

4277
02:47:40,870 --> 02:47:38,880
right yeah absolutely yeah i see

4278
02:47:43,110 --> 02:47:40,880
you've probably heard that argument by

4279
02:47:43,750 --> 02:47:43,120
um steven greer i don't know much more

4280
02:47:45,429 --> 02:47:43,760
than this

4281
02:47:47,990 --> 02:47:45,439
but he says if they were evil they would

4282
02:47:50,389 --> 02:47:48,000
have destroyed us by now

4283
02:47:52,150 --> 02:47:50,399
well and we wouldn't have even known

4284
02:47:55,990 --> 02:47:52,160
about it

4285
02:48:00,309 --> 02:47:57,910
it would be instantaneous and it would

4286
02:48:02,790 --> 02:48:00,319
be over isaac arthur

4287
02:48:04,870 --> 02:48:02,800
a physicist on the show said one thing

4288
02:48:06,710 --> 02:48:04,880
very remarkable to me

4289
02:48:08,070 --> 02:48:06,720
a couple of years ago and this is what

4290
02:48:11,750 --> 02:48:08,080
he said peter

4291
02:48:14,950 --> 02:48:11,760
he said it wouldn't be about

4292
02:48:18,070 --> 02:48:14,960
fantastic weapons and a big battle

4293
02:48:20,710 --> 02:48:18,080
on earth it wouldn't be like that

4294
02:48:21,670 --> 02:48:20,720
it would be something simple like they

4295
02:48:24,710 --> 02:48:21,680
approach

4296
02:48:25,830 --> 02:48:24,720
uh our solar system at the speed of

4297
02:48:28,950 --> 02:48:25,840
light

4298
02:48:31,830 --> 02:48:28,960
on their big giant starship cruiser

4299
02:48:34,070 --> 02:48:31,840
and they hit the brakes and let their

4300
02:48:37,269 --> 02:48:34,080
garbage go

4301
02:48:41,349 --> 02:48:37,279
and then their garbage hits earth

4302
02:48:44,550 --> 02:48:41,359
at the speed of light and we are

4303
02:48:46,630 --> 02:48:44,560
it's destruction instantaneously kinetic

4304
02:48:47,750 --> 02:48:46,640
energy and forces that you cannot

4305
02:48:50,950 --> 02:48:47,760
imagine

4306
02:48:53,910 --> 02:48:50,960
and it would be garbage

4307
02:48:54,710 --> 02:48:53,920
all right it wouldn't be some fantastic

4308
02:48:57,990 --> 02:48:54,720
atomic

4309
02:48:59,030 --> 02:48:58,000
laser cannon torpedo it wouldn't be that

4310
02:49:00,950 --> 02:48:59,040
would be nasty huh

4311
02:49:02,870 --> 02:49:00,960
yeah you know and we wouldn't see that

4312
02:49:03,910 --> 02:49:02,880
coming either but it would be something

4313
02:49:07,349 --> 02:49:03,920
like they would just

4314
02:49:11,190 --> 02:49:08,710
you know what i mean and we wouldn't

4315
02:49:14,070 --> 02:49:11,200
know it absolutely well you know

4316
02:49:15,190 --> 02:49:14,080
yeah exactly we wouldn't see they could

4317
02:49:18,870 --> 02:49:15,200
just toy with us

4318
02:49:19,190 --> 02:49:18,880
yeah and you know uh letting a a virus

4319
02:49:21,110 --> 02:49:19,200
go

4320
02:49:23,110 --> 02:49:21,120
on the planet and something like that

4321
02:49:26,710 --> 02:49:23,120
was again easy

4322
02:49:28,550 --> 02:49:26,720
the thing is this um and and

4323
02:49:30,070 --> 02:49:28,560
in this aspect i think that stephen

4324
02:49:32,150 --> 02:49:30,080
greer is right

4325
02:49:34,309 --> 02:49:32,160
and stephen and i have talked about this

4326
02:49:37,590 --> 02:49:34,319
so many times

4327
02:49:41,750 --> 02:49:37,600
uh but i'll get back to the point

4328
02:49:44,950 --> 02:49:41,760
is that um uh if

4329
02:49:45,750 --> 02:49:44,960
if there was something bad we would know

4330
02:49:47,830 --> 02:49:45,760
about it

4331
02:49:49,030 --> 02:49:47,840
and if there was something bad there

4332
02:49:51,510 --> 02:49:49,040
wouldn't be anything

4333
02:49:52,070 --> 02:49:51,520
that we could do about it and i think

4334
02:49:55,590 --> 02:49:52,080
that is

4335
02:49:58,790 --> 02:49:55,600
like the most basic thing

4336
02:50:01,190 --> 02:49:58,800
that we can say about the et phenomena

4337
02:50:02,550 --> 02:50:01,200
right and that's that's really it what

4338
02:50:05,990 --> 02:50:02,560
what other

4339
02:50:08,309 --> 02:50:06,000
bring me a bad experience we have plenty

4340
02:50:09,030 --> 02:50:08,319
of positive experiences we have tons of

4341
02:50:10,550 --> 02:50:09,040
that we have

4342
02:50:12,309 --> 02:50:10,560
tons of video and sightings and

4343
02:50:15,349 --> 02:50:12,319
experiences in contact

4344
02:50:15,910 --> 02:50:15,359
i know because i've had them myself all

4345
02:50:18,150 --> 02:50:15,920
right uh

4346
02:50:20,150 --> 02:50:18,160
myself yeah i i didn't realize that

4347
02:50:23,670 --> 02:50:20,160
really i mean i i thought there was

4348
02:50:25,830 --> 02:50:23,680
more variety out there well i don't know

4349
02:50:27,269 --> 02:50:25,840
i don't know that much you you must know

4350
02:50:27,830 --> 02:50:27,279
a hundred times more than i do about

4351
02:50:31,110 --> 02:50:27,840
this but

4352
02:50:31,830 --> 02:50:31,120
uh no i i think we're we're all pretty

4353
02:50:35,190 --> 02:50:31,840
aware

4354
02:50:38,870 --> 02:50:35,200
these days um my my

4355
02:50:40,150 --> 02:50:38,880
feeling is that if we if we look at

4356
02:50:42,950 --> 02:50:40,160
ourselves i i

4357
02:50:44,230 --> 02:50:42,960
constantly uh what's our reference point

4358
02:50:45,190 --> 02:50:44,240
what's our reference what are we going

4359
02:50:47,670 --> 02:50:45,200
to reference to

4360
02:50:50,710 --> 02:50:47,680
how how are we going to frame this how

4361
02:50:52,790 --> 02:50:50,720
do we negatively tease or

4362
02:50:53,830 --> 02:50:52,800
when we approach this question how do we

4363
02:50:57,590 --> 02:50:53,840
approach it well we

4364
02:51:01,349 --> 02:50:57,600
can only we only know us

4365
02:51:04,469 --> 02:51:01,359
we only know us so therefore

4366
02:51:06,389 --> 02:51:04,479
let's forget about looking at the stars

4367
02:51:08,630 --> 02:51:06,399
or trying to get to mars or

4368
02:51:09,830 --> 02:51:08,640
the you know going to the moon and

4369
02:51:12,150 --> 02:51:09,840
rockets and all of that

4370
02:51:13,510 --> 02:51:12,160
okay put all of that to the side what do

4371
02:51:17,349 --> 02:51:13,520
we know about us

4372
02:51:20,309 --> 02:51:17,359
well all of uh history

4373
02:51:20,710 --> 02:51:20,319
has had positive and negative we've had

4374
02:51:23,910 --> 02:51:20,720
uh

4375
02:51:27,190 --> 02:51:23,920
evil rulers and conquerors and we've had

4376
02:51:30,070 --> 02:51:27,200
uh good uh societies and

4377
02:51:30,950 --> 02:51:30,080
and cultures and civilizations and by

4378
02:51:34,710 --> 02:51:30,960
and large

4379
02:51:39,190 --> 02:51:34,720
most of the planet is good bad

4380
02:51:41,110 --> 02:51:39,200
is fun for a little bit but it dies out

4381
02:51:42,790 --> 02:51:41,120
right yeah it doesn't that's the problem

4382
02:51:45,910 --> 02:51:42,800
with it it doesn't last

4383
02:51:46,870 --> 02:51:45,920
so it can be quite seductive right it's

4384
02:51:48,550 --> 02:51:46,880
fun man

4385
02:51:50,230 --> 02:51:48,560
being bad isn't it and there's pain on

4386
02:51:53,670 --> 02:51:50,240
the back end that's the problem with it

4387
02:51:55,190 --> 02:51:53,680
being being bad is is fun i i get that

4388
02:51:56,710 --> 02:51:55,200
i know i've experienced it i'm not

4389
02:51:59,990 --> 02:51:56,720
arguing at all not at all

4390
02:52:02,710 --> 02:52:00,000
not at all so productive so based on

4391
02:52:03,830 --> 02:52:02,720
that i'm not into it now at all i'm i'm

4392
02:52:05,910 --> 02:52:03,840
totally on the good side

4393
02:52:07,510 --> 02:52:05,920
yeah yeah yeah very seductive i have to

4394
02:52:10,950 --> 02:52:07,520
admit me too

4395
02:52:13,269 --> 02:52:10,960
so the same has to be for all

4396
02:52:14,389 --> 02:52:13,279
of the rest of the milky way and the

4397
02:52:17,590 --> 02:52:14,399
universe

4398
02:52:20,790 --> 02:52:17,600
in that negative bad

4399
02:52:23,990 --> 02:52:20,800
warring cultures have risen

4400
02:52:28,790 --> 02:52:24,000
but they fall right the

4401
02:52:31,110 --> 02:52:28,800
good move on they

4402
02:52:32,309 --> 02:52:31,120
they flourish and and and that's yeah

4403
02:52:34,469 --> 02:52:32,319
yeah so

4404
02:52:36,230 --> 02:52:34,479
who has been getting yeah who has been

4405
02:52:39,510 --> 02:52:36,240
getting to this planet

4406
02:52:42,309 --> 02:52:39,520
those civilizations that have survived

4407
02:52:43,670 --> 02:52:42,319
have survived war famine destruction

4408
02:52:46,469 --> 02:52:43,680
technology

4409
02:52:47,429 --> 02:52:46,479
right they they've outlived and outpaced

4410
02:52:50,150 --> 02:52:47,439
all of it the things

4411
02:52:52,070 --> 02:52:50,160
that are challenging us today all right

4412
02:52:54,790 --> 02:52:52,080
the things that are challenging us today

4413
02:52:55,990 --> 02:52:54,800
could end a nuclear war could and

4414
02:52:59,510 --> 02:52:56,000
everything on this planet

4415
02:53:00,389 --> 02:52:59,520
tomorrow so all of those civilizations

4416
02:53:02,550 --> 02:53:00,399
out there

4417
02:53:04,150 --> 02:53:02,560
had to survive that self-destruction

4418
02:53:05,590 --> 02:53:04,160
phase in the weapons phase and the

4419
02:53:07,910 --> 02:53:05,600
technology phase

4420
02:53:10,389 --> 02:53:07,920
they evolved past that they mature they

4421
02:53:10,950 --> 02:53:10,399
become enlightened of course that's the

4422
02:53:13,590 --> 02:53:10,960
goal

4423
02:53:16,469 --> 02:53:13,600
right well that's who yeah that's who

4424
02:53:20,309 --> 02:53:16,479
survives and reaches this planet

4425
02:53:24,150 --> 02:53:20,319
you know i it would it would bum me out

4426
02:53:27,670 --> 02:53:24,160
if uh the milky way is being colonized

4427
02:53:30,630 --> 02:53:27,680
by a gnarly warring faction

4428
02:53:31,349 --> 02:53:30,640
of bloodthirsty aliens that are

4429
02:53:34,790 --> 02:53:31,359
conquering

4430
02:53:37,990 --> 02:53:34,800
planets for the sake of being evil

4431
02:53:38,950 --> 02:53:38,000
that's that's that that would suck but i

4432
02:53:41,349 --> 02:53:38,960
don't think that i think

4433
02:53:44,150 --> 02:53:41,359
there are those kind of galaxies but i

4434
02:53:47,269 --> 02:53:44,160
don't think it's going on here at all

4435
02:53:47,910 --> 02:53:47,279
no i don't think so i i really don't i

4436
02:53:51,830 --> 02:53:47,920
really don't

4437
02:53:55,110 --> 02:53:51,840
and and so if if you're going to evolve

4438
02:53:55,590 --> 02:53:55,120
over tens of thousands of millions of

4439
02:53:59,190 --> 02:53:55,600
years

4440
02:54:01,670 --> 02:53:59,200
and you are going to evolve you are

4441
02:54:04,230 --> 02:54:01,680
happy you're enlightened you're educated

4442
02:54:07,429 --> 02:54:04,240
you're knowledgeable you're technical

4443
02:54:09,910 --> 02:54:07,439
uh you're telepathic your brain power is

4444
02:54:12,309 --> 02:54:09,920
incredible you're artistic

4445
02:54:13,190 --> 02:54:12,319
um and and you're out there doing good

4446
02:54:15,349 --> 02:54:13,200
things

4447
02:54:17,269 --> 02:54:15,359
that's what survives and that's

4448
02:54:18,630 --> 02:54:17,279
hopefully what we're going to evolve

4449
02:54:20,550 --> 02:54:18,640
into

4450
02:54:22,309 --> 02:54:20,560
yeah and so you're in a state of joy all

4451
02:54:24,870 --> 02:54:22,319
the time yeah well i mean

4452
02:54:25,750 --> 02:54:24,880
you don't want to be a state of uh

4453
02:54:28,070 --> 02:54:25,760
purgatory

4454
02:54:29,110 --> 02:54:28,080
or living in hell why that's what i've

4455
02:54:32,469 --> 02:54:29,120
been through it a lot

4456
02:54:34,070 --> 02:54:32,479
no i don't want it right no i've gotten

4457
02:54:37,429 --> 02:54:34,080
that contrast plenty

4458
02:54:40,790 --> 02:54:37,439
yeah that's right and and

4459
02:54:43,590 --> 02:54:40,800
and uh and that's that's where i'm at

4460
02:54:44,230 --> 02:54:43,600
and and that's where i think uh stephen

4461
02:54:46,630 --> 02:54:44,240
greer

4462
02:54:47,990 --> 02:54:46,640
is is spot on the money because you have

4463
02:54:48,630 --> 02:54:48,000
to go back and you have to look at the

4464
02:54:52,070 --> 02:54:48,640
evidence

4465
02:54:52,870 --> 02:54:52,080
you know where is where's the bad side

4466
02:54:54,630 --> 02:54:52,880
of this

4467
02:54:56,389 --> 02:54:54,640
now we've had people that have had bad

4468
02:54:59,990 --> 02:54:56,399
experiences and

4469
02:55:01,110 --> 02:55:00,000
we know that there must be millions of

4470
02:55:04,469 --> 02:55:01,120
civilizations

4471
02:55:05,190 --> 02:55:04,479
in our milky way alone and so out of

4472
02:55:08,230 --> 02:55:05,200
that

4473
02:55:09,349 --> 02:55:08,240
could there have been some bad

4474
02:55:11,110 --> 02:55:09,359
situations that

4475
02:55:13,670 --> 02:55:11,120
have arrived on this planet and people

4476
02:55:17,030 --> 02:55:13,680
have had bad experiences with that

4477
02:55:19,190 --> 02:55:17,040
uh sure you know it's a numbers game it

4478
02:55:20,309 --> 02:55:19,200
that that has to have trickled through

4479
02:55:22,630 --> 02:55:20,319
but that isn't the

4480
02:55:23,910 --> 02:55:22,640
the vast majority of people's experience

4481
02:55:27,269 --> 02:55:23,920
when it comes to

4482
02:55:29,349 --> 02:55:27,279
the possibility of vt contact

4483
02:55:31,030 --> 02:55:29,359
so i'm sure you know david wilcock right

4484
02:55:32,630 --> 02:55:31,040
so i've heard it i'm going to take it

4485
02:55:34,550 --> 02:55:32,640
for granted

4486
02:55:36,550 --> 02:55:34,560
obviously obviously i think you would

4487
02:55:38,309 --> 02:55:36,560
have and uh so

4488
02:55:40,150 --> 02:55:38,319
i think he might even be teasing me if

4489
02:55:42,150 --> 02:55:40,160
he seems everybody's heard of him

4490
02:55:43,830 --> 02:55:42,160
and he talks a lot about both the

4491
02:55:45,910 --> 02:55:43,840
positive and the negative ones and i'm

4492
02:55:48,070 --> 02:55:45,920
sure you've also heard of dolores cannon

4493
02:55:49,429 --> 02:55:48,080
yes who passed away about 10 years ago

4494
02:55:53,110 --> 02:55:49,439
but she had

4495
02:55:54,950 --> 02:55:53,120
she had uh put thousands or tens of

4496
02:55:56,790 --> 02:55:54,960
thousands of people into

4497
02:55:59,030 --> 02:55:56,800
deep hypnosis and gone into their past

4498
02:56:00,630 --> 02:55:59,040
lives and their experiences on the other

4499
02:56:02,309 --> 02:56:00,640
side and everything and experiences with

4500
02:56:04,469 --> 02:56:02,319
et's also

4501
02:56:07,030 --> 02:56:04,479
and she said she'd never ever ever

4502
02:56:08,230 --> 02:56:07,040
encountered anything of a negative et so

4503
02:56:10,230 --> 02:56:08,240
you know that's what i was saying up

4504
02:56:12,469 --> 02:56:10,240
front that some people i

4505
02:56:13,750 --> 02:56:12,479
highly respect say that there aren't any

4506
02:56:16,790 --> 02:56:13,760
negative et's

4507
02:56:17,429 --> 02:56:16,800
and i respect david also he says there

4508
02:56:20,150 --> 02:56:17,439
are

4509
02:56:21,910 --> 02:56:20,160
well even kind of in the middle on that

4510
02:56:23,429 --> 02:56:21,920
all right stephen grier knows steven is

4511
02:56:25,030 --> 02:56:23,439
100 on the good side

4512
02:56:26,389 --> 02:56:25,040
he'll argue with that all right that's

4513
02:56:26,710 --> 02:56:26,399
good all right well two out of three

4514
02:56:30,070 --> 02:56:26,720
there

4515
02:56:30,630 --> 02:56:30,080
couple of minutes peter but uh let me

4516
02:56:33,990 --> 02:56:30,640
say this

4517
02:56:38,150 --> 02:56:34,000
oh okay um we go as

4518
02:56:41,269 --> 02:56:38,160
a a civilization we go and we explore

4519
02:56:43,110 --> 02:56:41,279
and we are going into the jungles and

4520
02:56:45,910 --> 02:56:43,120
onto islands and

4521
02:56:47,030 --> 02:56:45,920
we're capturing birds and bugs and

4522
02:56:49,910 --> 02:56:47,040
things and

4523
02:56:51,670 --> 02:56:49,920
and and putting them in cages and taking

4524
02:56:53,349 --> 02:56:51,680
them away from their families putting

4525
02:56:56,389 --> 02:56:53,359
them on boats and planes bringing them

4526
02:57:00,389 --> 02:56:56,399
back to the united states uh

4527
02:57:03,429 --> 02:57:00,399
dissecting examining uh killing

4528
02:57:05,429 --> 02:57:03,439
uh mutilating putting them in zoos and

4529
02:57:08,309 --> 02:57:05,439
in cages

4530
02:57:09,349 --> 02:57:08,319
and we don't see anything wrong with any

4531
02:57:12,389 --> 02:57:09,359
of that

4532
02:57:13,510 --> 02:57:12,399
we're learning well if e.t is starting

4533
02:57:16,790 --> 02:57:13,520
to realize though

4534
02:57:19,830 --> 02:57:16,800
by the vt comes here are we

4535
02:57:23,030 --> 02:57:19,840
just another species in the jungle

4536
02:57:26,070 --> 02:57:23,040
that needs to be bagged and tagged

4537
02:57:27,750 --> 02:57:26,080
and studied uh are they being rhetorical

4538
02:57:30,469 --> 02:57:27,760
right

4539
02:57:32,550 --> 02:57:30,479
no i'm not being retired after you i'm

4540
02:57:35,590 --> 02:57:32,560
not being wrong

4541
02:57:37,349 --> 02:57:35,600
everything's possible right well these

4542
02:57:40,150 --> 02:57:37,359
grays seem to be coming here

4543
02:57:40,870 --> 02:57:40,160
you know that are actually from what i

4544
02:57:43,269 --> 02:57:40,880
understand

4545
02:57:44,790 --> 02:57:43,279
from a few sources i don't know if i can

4546
02:57:45,750 --> 02:57:44,800
articulate it and we're going to run out

4547
02:57:48,070 --> 02:57:45,760
of time right

4548
02:57:49,830 --> 02:57:48,080
but these grays are humans that went

4549
02:57:51,670 --> 02:57:49,840
down the wrong path and they lost the

4550
02:57:54,870 --> 02:57:51,680
ability to reproduce and they lost

4551
02:57:57,110 --> 02:57:54,880
their ability to feel and they were

4552
02:57:59,750 --> 02:57:57,120
doing horrible scientific experiments on

4553
02:58:02,309 --> 02:57:59,760
us but they're not really et's they're

4554
02:58:05,269 --> 02:58:02,319
they're horribly negative humans in some

4555
02:58:08,230 --> 02:58:05,279
alternative future it's possible

4556
02:58:09,510 --> 02:58:08,240
yeah it's possible it's just i've heard

4557
02:58:10,950 --> 02:58:09,520
that story from

4558
02:58:12,230 --> 02:58:10,960
several different people and so i

4559
02:58:12,870 --> 02:58:12,240
started to think it must be true when

4560
02:58:14,790 --> 02:58:12,880
you get the

4561
02:58:16,150 --> 02:58:14,800
unless they all just hurt each other

4562
02:58:18,230 --> 02:58:16,160
well i haven't had

4563
02:58:19,349 --> 02:58:18,240
yeah i haven't had the close-up gray

4564
02:58:21,750 --> 02:58:19,359
encounter

4565
02:58:23,269 --> 02:58:21,760
when i do yeah you're lucky yeah when i

4566
02:58:26,550 --> 02:58:23,279
do i'll let you know

4567
02:58:29,110 --> 02:58:26,560
but any anything is possible and

4568
02:58:29,750 --> 02:58:29,120
game it's a numbers game peter where are

4569
02:58:33,990 --> 02:58:29,760
you calling

4570
02:58:36,950 --> 02:58:34,000
fairfield iowa

4571
02:58:38,870 --> 02:58:36,960
that major uh metropolis it's a it's a

4572
02:58:40,870 --> 02:58:38,880
little town with a little

4573
02:58:42,309 --> 02:58:40,880
consciousness university marshy

4574
02:58:44,389 --> 02:58:42,319
university you ever heard of it

4575
02:58:46,309 --> 02:58:44,399
no i haven't but uh thank you for the

4576
02:58:48,870 --> 02:58:46,319
following beatles guru maharaj

4577
02:58:52,150 --> 02:58:48,880
yogi there you go we love first time

4578
02:58:54,070 --> 02:58:52,160
callers here man and don't be a stranger

4579
02:58:55,750 --> 02:58:54,080
all right it won't all right you take

4580
02:58:57,349 --> 02:58:55,760
care have a great night

4581
02:58:58,950 --> 02:58:57,359
it's a good phone call right there and i

4582
02:59:00,230 --> 02:58:58,960
love getting into a conversation with a

4583
02:59:03,510 --> 02:59:00,240
first-time caller

4584
02:59:07,269 --> 02:59:03,520
that's always a lot of fun

4585
02:59:09,429 --> 02:59:07,279
what a great show tonight greg house

4586
02:59:10,950 --> 02:59:09,439
the absolute best if you ever get a

4587
02:59:12,790 --> 02:59:10,960
chance to meet greg

4588
02:59:14,389 --> 02:59:12,800
uh go out to a protest sometime you'll

4589
02:59:16,389 --> 02:59:14,399
see him but um

4590
02:59:17,990 --> 02:59:16,399
if you ever get a chance to meet greg do

4591
02:59:21,030 --> 02:59:18,000
it go up and tell him

4592
02:59:23,510 --> 02:59:21,040
hello he is a great guy and have a

4593
02:59:24,790 --> 02:59:23,520
question ready for him he's awesome we

4594
02:59:27,269 --> 02:59:24,800
taste like chicken

4595
02:59:28,389 --> 02:59:27,279
that's funny mark but what a great

4596
02:59:30,070 --> 02:59:28,399
conversation tonight

4597
02:59:31,590 --> 02:59:30,080
and i want to thank greg for that you

4598
02:59:35,349 --> 02:59:31,600
can follow greg on twitter

4599
02:59:38,950 --> 02:59:35,359
at greg house and that is greg with two

4600
02:59:41,110 --> 02:59:38,960
g's h o u s h greg house

4601
02:59:43,190 --> 02:59:41,120
do that right there in twitter and his

4602
02:59:46,309 --> 02:59:43,200
new website greghouse.com

4603
02:59:47,750 --> 02:59:46,319
is getting ready to launch and this new

4604
02:59:49,750 --> 02:59:47,760
twitch podcast

4605
02:59:51,830 --> 02:59:49,760
is going to be pretty cool with video so

4606
02:59:53,830 --> 02:59:51,840
there you go all right tomorrow night

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